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Jan 16 2014 11:44am
maximus le roi scammer aka certes lol

id prefer 20fcr on amu

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Jan 16 2014 03:06pm
Quote (Certes @ 16 Jan 2014 13:26)
tell me where it is not needed and I'll try to show you that you're wrong ;)


2pb/10fc/10repl/60life/90mana + 10fc/9repl/90mana/30res

1nec/20fc/60life/90mana + soj? (or raven? its 40 mana (you better not to count on that 20dex when you stat) and cbf+coldsorb)

im not convinced the second is better
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Jan 16 2014 05:14pm
Quote (minifoot @ Jan 16 2014 10:06pm)
2pb/10fc/10repl/60life/90mana + 10fc/9repl/90mana/30res

1nec/20fc/60life/90mana + soj? (or raven? its 40 mana (you better not to count on that 20dex when you stat) and cbf+coldsorb)

im not convinced the second is better


i) you can't use 10 fcr amy + fcr ring @ caster setup...

20 fcr circ
20 fcr amy
35 fcr spirit
30 fcr viper
10/24 belt
Fcr ring + Raven

... else you'd want to replace raven with a fcr ring, wich is not an option.

ii) you can @ melee setup :

20 fcr circ
20 fcr amy
35 fcr spirit

So, let's do simple math :

1nec/20fc/60life/90mana + soj versus 2pb/10fc/10repl/60life/90mana + 10fc/9repl/90mana/30res
= soj versus 1 pb/10repl + 9repl/90mana/30 res

soj = 1 sk/25% mana/20 mana

We got : 25% mana versus19 repl/70mana/30res

Well geared nec got atleast 1k mana. So 25% mana = 250 added mana.

We got 180 mana versus 19 repl/30 res.

At first 19 repl/30 looks better, but you must take into account that :

i) max life rep allowed on nec is 30, yet you've got atleast 10 on your circ (2*perf skulls) or even 20 if 10repl base + you've got 10 from boots. That is 20-30 life rep, yet your added life rep becomes bm.
ii) remember we're talking about melee setup (I showed you you have no place for a fcr ring @ caster setup) wich means that the added res becomes useless too.

This leads us to the fact that you earn 180 mana (20 fcr amy) versus nothing (10 fcr amy).

You could object me that you're not forced to pkulls your helm. I can hear it. It would mean that your added liferep becomes usefull ; it would probably also mean that 10 fcr amy setup > 20 fcr amy setup. But true nec players know that pskulls are the best socket choice because % mana regen is so important/priceless.

Last but not least 20 fcr option would be waaay cheaper and yet realistic

This post was edited by Certes on Jan 16 2014 05:18pm
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Jan 16 2014 05:26pm
why couldnt you replace raven against casters? (except blizz ofc)

and if you have too much replife already then you can go for 30life on your fc ring.

oh and dont forget the +1 pb skill you got on the ammy...

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Jan 16 2014 05:35pm
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why couldnt you replace raven against casters? (except blizz ofc)

and if you have too much replife already then you can go for 30life on your fc ring.

oh and dont forget the +1 pb skill you got.


i) Because vs sorcs you want to counter cold armor and vs others you want to avoid being colded while hitted. The only time you don't need raven is versus necro itself.
ii) This is right. So That would be 180 mana vs 30 life. Gl finding such a ring though combined to such an amy. Again, (see my edit) 20 fcr amy setup is by far more realistic (and cheaper!).
iii)Didn't forgot it +1 nec and soj nullify the +2 pb

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i) Because vs sorcs you want to counter cold armor and vs others you want to avoid being colded while hitted. The only time you don't need raven is versus necro itself.
ii) This is right. So That would be 180 mana vs 30 life. Gl finding such a ring though combined to such an amy. Again, (see my edit) 20 fcr amy setup is by far more realistic (and cheaper!).
iii)Didn't forgot it +1 nec and soj nullify the +2 pb


but you dont even have soj in your 125fc setup
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Jan 16 2014 05:48pm
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but you dont even have soj in your 125fc setup


I don't, but if you rode me right you'd realize I'm talking about melee setup since you already have a fcr ring and a raven blocked @ caster setup what invalidates your 10 fcr amy + fcr ring

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Quote (Certes @ 17 Jan 2014 00:48)
I don't, but if you rode me right you'd realize I'm talking about melee setup since you already have a fcr ring and a raven blocked @ caster setup what invalidates your 10 fcr amy + fcr ring


true.

one mistake in the math though: you count mana coming from soj wrong as you are using frostburn and the bonus coming from the two items are not combined. however the 90mana coming from the ring will benefit from the 40% bonus
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Jan 17 2014 03:25am
the +20 mana from soj won't ? I didn't know.



This post was edited by Certes on Jan 17 2014 03:25am
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Jan 17 2014 04:54am
Quote (Certes @ Jan 17 2014 09:25am)
the +20 mana from soj won't ? I didn't know.


hahahahaha
your basics are as bad as your duelling skills, scammer supporter yO

u say its okej to play with scammed items.
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