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Jan 24 2013 05:04am
innas + mepo + lacuini = 24-27 ias , usualy 1 more item with ias is enough to get the bp.
nn gloves + ring with ias.
if u go with 9-9-9 and -.25 fury only need 6 ias from gloves or ring.

just a note ..

and u better post some standar stats .. like "6k armor 600@rez ~50cc 2.5as 30k life"

and yes i like that build i am using that build and it rocks!
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Jan 24 2013 05:24am
Died with barb yesterday at MP5 ubers with these stats:

72 k Dps buffed / 2,22 Aps / 820 res / 6,8 K armor / 43,8 K hp / 7,7 LS % / 500 LOH

... for the ones planning to do this in hardcore ^^ anything mp5> is faceroll as long as u got wotb up, think i just got bad luck since i did like 12-15 portals before i died so probably a little sloppy, ghom was allready dead and raka pwned me

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Quote (lifo2 @ Jan 24 2013 01:24pm)
Died with barb yesterday at MP5 ubers with these stats:

72 k Dps buffed / 2,22 Aps / 820 res / 6,8 K armor / 43,8 K hp / 7,7 LS % / 500 LOH

... for the ones planning to do this in hardcore ^^ anything mp5> is faceroll as long as u got wotb up, think i just got bad luck since i did like 12-15 portals before i died so probably a little sloppy, ghom was allready dead and raka pwned me

pic related

http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/863/screenshot051d.jpg


link profile plz
and.. hc is different ;p u never sacrifice good slots for some ~dps.. for example.. soj-lacuiny-innas are not that good in hc.. unless rly good rolled.
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Jan 24 2013 05:42am
looks like your barb nn a build before getting all gear

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Quote (Tboner @ Jan 24 2013 07:25am)
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[B]Offhand:


*Very important this is MINIMUM +.23 attacks/second* **With a .23 you need 35% IAS from gear, a .24 you need 34%, a .25 you need 33%**

ohh i see now, its a rltw build



This post was edited by Tommyvv on Jan 24 2013 05:45am
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Quote (Cyberbeni @ Jan 24 2013 04:33pm)
shit guide.
EF in OH is shit.
why would you want axe is MH with dagger OH? you want the hardest hitting weapon in MH which is usually a mace.
etc.
etc.

l2p and then repost the guide again.


Quote (Tboner @ Jan 24 2013 04:38pm)
Holy troll, please attempt to explain what is better and why, ill have a good laugh, reported for spam

you would use Axe/Dagger since they sync well to hit 2.22/2.5 APS breakpoints, axe with 2.22 is better then 2.0 aps with mace.

please, try to know what you are talking about before trying to tussle with the big guys, stay small

100% of people would listen to me over you, sorry bro :)


Mace as main hand as the nados are based upon your main hand's damage
Maces will have the highest base damage

EF as offhands are for those who don't like the fear effect / taking on MPs slightly higher than normal

your Endgame main hand should be a huge echoing fury
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Jan 24 2013 09:27am
well there is an easy way that requires a small bit of number crunching but very basic math wich will tell you if a specific mace is better or worse compared to another specific axe.

(min dmg + max dmg / 2) x nado breakpoints ticks
and do it another time for the axe.

this will tell you wich will give you the better nado ticks damage output. if you want to add in cd as a value as well it gets a bit more complicated but not very much

(min dmg + max dmg /2) x nado breakpoints ticks x cc x cd

example:
mace with 600-1000 dmg and 50 cd and with your gear 2.23 aps (23 ticks)
compared to
axe with 500-900 dmg and 65cd and you reach the next breakpoints (26 ticks)

the other gear is 50cc and 500 cd

600+1000 / 2 = 800 x 23 = 18400 x cc 50% = 920 x 550% = 5060 (with the mace)
500+900/ 2 = 700 x 26 = 18200 x cc 50% = 910 x 565% = 5141.5 (with the axe)

the values in themselvs says nothing really its just a comparison between two different weapons to see wich works best when it comes to dps.

so in this case the axe is better but you have to compare your weapon with the weapon you want to get, and you have to make sure you reach the next breakpoint if you go for axe instead of mace
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Jan 24 2013 11:26am
Quote (Tboner @ Jan 24 2013 03:59am)
Since it is pretty easy to hit it, helps with fury regen, keeping WOTB up, and is also a nice DPS boost


keeping up wotb shouldnt really be a problem at higher mp levels though

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Jan 24 2013 12:48pm
i wish some1 could make simmilar topic for witch doctors...
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Jan 24 2013 01:11pm
Quote (Wockets @ Jan 24 2013 08:03am)
Mace as main hand as the nados are based upon your main hand's damage
Maces will have the highest base damage

EF as offhands are for those who don't like the fear effect / taking on MPs slightly higher than normal

your Endgame main hand should be a huge echoing fury


you really think I didnt know that? lol

axe is to hit the 2.22 breakpoint, and it is better then using a mace if using 2 rare weapons.

and no, end game you still want echo as offhand, maces can get higher raw dmg in general and the fear from echo on mainhand will slow you down in the end
Quote (Anomandaris @ Jan 24 2013 08:27am)
well there is an easy way that requires a small bit of number crunching but very basic math wich will tell you if a specific mace is better or worse compared to another specific axe.

(min dmg + max dmg / 2) x nado breakpoints ticks
and do it another time for the axe.

this will tell you wich will give you the better nado ticks damage output. if you want to add in cd as a value as well it gets a bit more complicated but not very much

(min dmg + max dmg /2) x nado breakpoints ticks x cc x cd

example:
mace with 600-1000 dmg and 50 cd and with your gear 2.23 aps (23 ticks)
compared to
axe with 500-900 dmg and 65cd and you reach the next breakpoints (26 ticks)

the other gear is 50cc and 500 cd

600+1000 / 2 = 800 x 23 = 18400 x cc 50% = 920 x 550% = 5060 (with the mace)
500+900/ 2 = 700 x 26 = 18200 x cc 50% = 910 x 565% = 5141.5 (with the axe)

the values in themselvs says nothing really its just a comparison between two different weapons to see wich works best when it comes to dps.

so in this case the axe is better but you have to compare your weapon with the weapon you want to get, and you have to make sure you reach the next breakpoint if you go for axe instead of mace


for two rare weapons, using an axe is better in almost all circumstances, you also have to consider more ias = more fury regen = keeping up WOTB better and longer!

Quote (WannaB3 @ Jan 24 2013 04:04am)
innas + mepo + lacuini = 24-27 ias , usualy 1 more item with ias is enough to get the bp.
nn gloves + ring with ias.
if u go with 9-9-9 and -.25 fury only need 6 ias from gloves or ring.

just a note ..

and u better post some standar stats .. like "6k armor 600@rez ~50cc 2.5as 30k life"

and yes i like that build i am using that build and it rocks!


read closer and you will see I noted all those things :P

as for the standard stats.. if you follow this guide you will hit the res/armor/cc/ias/life that you need

This post was edited by Tboner on Jan 24 2013 01:13pm
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Jan 24 2013 02:32pm
if i get a .25 echo fury can u tell me how many ias items i need to hit the 2.5 bp

and for a .24 echo too?
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