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Nov 28 2012 11:25pm
Quote (PlasmaSnake101 @ Nov 28 2012 10:20pm)
As far as the value of gold, diamonds, bread, water and houses are concerned, it has to do primarily with public demand, which is determined by societies subjective opinion on a good's worth. The cost of production, of course, plays a large role in pricing. I'd say scarcity is the second determinant in the value of these types of goods, followed by production costs, of which labor is a part of. But subjective value is the primary item which determines perceived worth. Then that, which can be called "demand", and the costs of production and the wanted selling price, supply, intersect at some point to determine the selling price. Labor is a subsection of the costs of production.

Concerning the value of money, the money supply is the main determinant. Throughout history, for example Spain in the days of early colonialism, an influx of money results in less value being ascribed to it. And of course, this affects the sale of the nation's goods in the global market, but that's another discussion. This is why labor and goods are not priced at a universal equivalent worldwide.

Labor plays an important role in the value of goods, yet is minor compared to other variables in the scarcity of resources and production costs, not to mention subjective value. As far as I can reason, I don't see how labor can affect the value of monies. In fact, the level of labor compensation is determined by the value of currency, not the other way around. This is why wage inflation and price inflation is caused when an economy observes monetary inflation. The value of money is the momentary constant in determining the prices of both goods and labor.


This is a quality post. Anyone with questions regarding pricing should read it, very well done.
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This is a quality post.  Anyone with questions regarding pricing should read it, very well done.


The sad thing is, everyone who needs to read it, won't.
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Quote (Wakeskater77 @ Nov 29 2012 12:31am)
The sad thing is, everyone who needs to read it, won't.


"Everyone" = OP?
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Quote (BardOfXiix @ Nov 28 2012 09:25pm)
This is a quality post.  Anyone with questions regarding pricing should read it, very well done.


I should have noted that interest rates on credit or savings also affect the value of money, but that all falls under the money supply. Best to keep it simple.

See, I do know a thing or two.
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Quote (PlasmaSnake101 @ Nov 29 2012 12:08am)
I should have noted that interest rates on credit or savings also affect the value of money, but that all falls under the money supply. Best to keep it simple.

See, I do know a thing or two.


Nobody who's been here since before your last vacation doubts that :P Some of us just disagree with your conclusions xD
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Quote (PlasmaSnake101 @ Nov 29 2012 01:20am)
As far as the value of gold, diamonds, bread, water and houses are concerned, it has to do primarily with public demand, which is determined by societies subjective opinion on a good's worth.


True for some simple things like wheat and milk but , actually the price of many items aren't determined by public demand at all , most often they are determined by what level of monopoly a company has on it or to say it more simply – How low will my competition go.
Diamonds are hugely controlled and so is their value. My water and hydro company never ask anyone about their opinion of pricing. Things like Apples iphone's pricing has little to do with public demand – that's why they have 90 billion dollars in the bank – from overpricing their plastic. Look at Donald Trump – hes buys neckties from china for 1$ and then sells them at Macy's for 100$. The public has absolutely nothing to do with pricing here, its just him being a greedy old man.
Same thing can be said for oil – Do you think if enough people complain about the price of gas, it would go down? That's about as ridiculous as blaming the President for the price of oil.(like he picks up his iphone and talks to OPEC every morning “What should we set the price of gas to today...”)
Even if the price of gas went up to 20$ a gallon , there is very little anyone could do – except cry while they wait in line...

Quote (PlasmaSnake101 @ Nov 29 2012 01:20am)
I'd say scarcity is the second determinant in the value of these types of goods


True in many cases except the most important UN-renewable limited resource in the world – Oil.

Quote (PlasmaSnake101 @ Nov 29 2012 01:20am)
Concerning the value of money, the money supply is the main determinant.


That quantity of money supply is the ultimate factor in determining value is a myth largely propagated by corporate wing nuts and I think you'll find their are much more rational challenges to this thought in Keynesian economics. The concept of money has gone on to encompass many values, but lets not forget where the idea for money came from - a need to account for the labor and efforts of man.

Quote (PlasmaSnake101 @ Nov 29 2012 01:20am)
the level of labor compensation is determined by the value of currency, not the other way around.


True today , but i was talking about 10,000 yrs ago , before there was money – there was just labor.
Oh wait didn't God create the dollar bill on the sixth day?..........

This post was edited by card_sultan on Nov 29 2012 10:51pm
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Quote (Arsenic_Touch @ Nov 26 2012 04:55pm)
I suggest you go look in the mirror and proceed to slap yourself.


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To the topic creator; the most important un-renewable ressource of the world is sun, go there and mediate with him to make sure he stays forever.

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To the topic creator; the most important un-renewable ressource of the world is sun, go there and mediate with him to make sure he stays forever.


I think you mean the most interesting collection of molecules that provide the most inexhaustible source of free power in the universe that we real don’t understand....
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Quote (card_sultan @ Nov 30 2012 04:36am)
True in many cases except the most important UN-renewable limited resource in the world – Oil.


So only the UN can restore oil?
Good to know. Noted.
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So only the UN can restore oil?
Good to know. Noted.


and the Aliens - cause they run their spaceships on turbo gas.......
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