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Nov 9 2012 09:44pm
Quote (mosssman @ Nov 9 2012 08:15pm)
hi there

firstly thanks so much for the info

just a question my barb on character sheet has a attack speed of 2.01 on MH
so 2.01 means it fits to this category right = 2.00001-2.22222 aps - 9 frames per tick - 6.67 ticks per second - 20 ticks

thanks for your help


sometimes its not calculated properly and is rounded up on your character sheet (the formula is in the link i posted)

u can check there or to be safe get a bit more ias.. ideally u want to hit 2.5+aps on both, u need echoing fury to do this tho
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Nov 10 2012 01:20am
ahh i see

thanks dude!
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Nov 10 2012 01:51am
Quote (markilbaldacchino @ Nov 9 2012 01:56am)
he probably means socket / ias ef vs socket / cd, i would go socket / ias too if theres a new speed bp in reach. Would choose that over 50-80 cd, when i still have 100 cd in socket, anyday. but yeah preference ....

and about this



it adds more raw dmg then most rings yes, but at the expense of a possible speed bp, more cc, and also vs elites only
its only vs elites, and in higher mp your overall kill speed suffers as a result
with a godly rare ring you can reach more crit chance and another speed breakpoint, not only more tornado damage numbers, so even more effective dps

here is the math

SOJ 25elite, 6% ele

with 500-1000 mainhand, 400 cd, 2000 str

vs

ring 1 60 str, 20cd, 8 ias
ring 2 25-60 dmg, 30 cd, 110 str, 4cc, 8 ias

SOJ 500 - 1000 x 1.46 x 21 x 5 x 0.2 = 15330 - 30660

ring 1 500 - 1000 x 1.15 x 21.6 x 5.2 x 0.2 = 12916 - 25833 AND 8 ias AND vs all mobs, not just elites ---> I would pick SOJ here yes, most probably

ring 2 525 - 1060 x 1.15 x 22.1 x 5.3 x 0.2 = 14143 - 28556 AND 8 ias AND 4 cc AND vs all mobs, not just elites --> I would pick rare ring over here


if you poor like me, soj is the way lol.

i never had the luxury to have one of those CRAZZZZZZZY rare ones to try out. Someone linked me a basic barb unity and it upd my dps 19k haha (this was compared to my soj but the screen doesnt calculate soj dam) but that 19k boost is still pretty beast for such a basic ring. I could imagine getting a rare with attack speed and CD on top of it.

On the thing about the "fake" dps crap from attack speed that you guys got all upset about, i only mentioned that cause it goes back to the basics when like you had a lvl8 char and you threw on that first blue ring (a plain 3% attack speed ring) it would up your dps by quite a few numbers. And yes, i now see it in the terms of how people "Word stuff" if you read it out "damage per second" and not damage per hit (though i do at times keep thinkin dps is like "damage per hit" and not per say damage per second cause you could hit more then 1 time per second with lots of attack speed...). So you cant hate me on that lol, it was simply from my own playin experience of actually playin the dam game and seein how the game added in dps from the attack speed mod.

But yes attack speed is good, get it so you can hit break points, im all for that. I up'd my attack speed recently (mine was pretty slow before, i think i was at like 1.7x or 1.8 on my dagger side before i got a few extra attack speed items) and the nado speed is ridiculous now...i think im at like 2.1x something area now in non wotb setup on dagger side. I feel like i was in berserker mode of my old setup lol (and when i went into berserk mode, it feels even more sexy).
i only share what i experience from my own personal playin experience. And watever works for me, im sure it would work for others.
So for now i like my soj (i dont have those crazy xx-xx + 6%cc, 40+CD, high str, 9% attack speed rings to try haha, though gettin 2 of those would definately make me wanna slap those bad boys on pronto). I mean the soj is doing its job so i'll roll wit it. watever works works i guess

This post was edited by ButtPirate7 on Nov 10 2012 01:58am
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Nov 10 2012 04:10am
hmm, just got 4 million by selling some items. Need some upgrade for my barb:

http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/LoLbastard-1632/hero/5452955

I want to chance my Mainhand. What kind of weapon should i try to find? Or should i chance something else. Need some allres and attack speed.
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Nov 10 2012 01:37pm
Quote (LolBastard @ Nov 10 2012 03:10am)
hmm, just got 4 million by selling some items. Need some upgrade for my barb:

http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/LoLbastard-1632/hero/5452955

I want to chance my Mainhand. What kind of weapon should i try to find? Or should i chance something else. Need some allres and attack speed.


stick with axe/mace

and yes u need more res before anything else
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Nov 10 2012 04:17pm
Haven't played in a long time ...

Is the best setup (assuming you can keep Wrath up) a mace MH and an EF OH?

Does EF proc in the OH?

If this isn't viable, does a mace MH + dagger OH work?

What are the associated IAS values needed?
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Nov 10 2012 10:21pm
Quote (SyZStats @ Nov 10 2012 03:17pm)
Haven't played in a long time ...

Is the best setup (assuming you can keep Wrath up) a mace MH and an EF OH?

Does EF proc in the OH?

If this isn't viable, does a mace MH + dagger OH work?

What are the associated IAS values needed?


EF is best

but after that dagger/sword are best

With EF I use 4* 9ias items (so 36% total) to hit the ideal breakpoint.. i think around 33-34% would work tho.. need to hit 2.5x/2.5x both sides)

This post was edited by Tboner on Nov 10 2012 10:21pm
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Nov 11 2012 03:31am
Nice guide
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Nov 11 2012 03:33am
Quote (Tboner @ Nov 10 2012 09:21pm)
EF is best

but after that dagger/sword are best

With EF I use 4* 9ias items (so 36% total) to hit the ideal breakpoint.. i think around 33-34% would work tho.. need to hit 2.5x/2.5x both sides)


Does the fear proc activate if it's in the off hand? My monk friend says his shield with a 1% fear proc activates and it's annoying
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Nov 11 2012 03:46am
Quote (SyZStats @ Nov 11 2012 02:33am)
Does the fear proc activate if it's in the off hand? My monk friend says his shield with a 1% fear proc activates and it's annoying


it will only proc off ww which is very low.. not off tornados if its OH
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