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Nov 8 2012 04:05pm
Quote (bouzigue @ Nov 8 2012 01:08pm)
Why using a cold soj like this?

It's better to buy a cheap one (class doesn't matter) and put on your scoundrel, with multishot and the snare spell. You have the same effect, countering echo fury, and you free a ring slot for a trifecta or w/e.

IMO Only good barb soj are -5 HOTA ones.

If you don't play solo, chances are someone in your party will have a snare or a freeze, so you can dump it as well.


uhhh.. something called 30% damage to elites.. adds much more dmg then most rings

and in high MP play your scoundrel wont be alive all the time unless you are farming very slow..

also.. the snare effect does not last long at all.. so unless ur scoundrel has some amazing attack speed.. not the same

Quote (heyasuki @ Nov 8 2012 01:53pm)
Tboner, Awesome post. I just made the switch from WD to barb and this was an excellent read!


;)

I have a WD too and its actually faster farming then my barb

This post was edited by Tboner on Nov 8 2012 04:06pm
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Nov 8 2012 05:00pm
Great post buddy.
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Nov 8 2012 05:29pm
Doing it mostly for fun to play something different. Need a change after 400 WD hours lol. Does help I run around with my wife's 200k DH
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Nov 8 2012 06:38pm
What are your thoughts on running an EF with +10+% attack speed and +0.25 aps with open socket gem to get the 30 ticks bp on OH and 26 ticks MH over an EF with 180+% crit chance but the lower BP bracket (26/23)?
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Quote (rob2010 @ Nov 8 2012 05:38pm)
What are your thoughts on running an EF with +10+% attack speed and +0.25 aps with open socket gem to get the 30 ticks bp on OH and 26 ticks MH over an EF with 180+% crit chance but the lower BP bracket (26/23)?


Which is better? crit dmg by far

oh and ias OH will not increase ur MH ias..

U want to increase your nado dmg by as much as possible.. crit dmg / str do this well :)

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Quote (Tboner @ Nov 9 2012 03:13am)
Which is better? crit dmg by far

oh and ias OH will not increase ur MH ias..

U want to increase your nado dmg by as much as possible.. crit dmg / str do this well :)



he probably means socket / ias ef vs socket / cd, i would go socket / ias too if theres a new speed bp in reach. Would choose that over 50-80 cd, when i still have 100 cd in socket, anyday. but yeah preference ....

and about this

Quote (Tboner @ Nov 9 2012 12:05am)
uhhh.. something called 30% damage to elites.. adds much more dmg then most rings


it adds more raw dmg then most rings yes, but at the expense of a possible speed bp, more cc, and also vs elites only
its only vs elites, and in higher mp your overall kill speed suffers as a result
with a godly rare ring you can reach more crit chance and another speed breakpoint, not only more tornado damage numbers, so even more effective dps

here is the math

SOJ 25elite, 6% ele

with 500-1000 mainhand, 400 cd, 2000 str

vs

ring 1 60 str, 20cd, 8 ias
ring 2 25-60 dmg, 30 cd, 110 str, 4cc, 8 ias

SOJ 500 - 1000 x 1.46 x 21 x 5 x 0.2 = 15330 - 30660

ring 1 500 - 1000 x 1.15 x 21.6 x 5.2 x 0.2 = 12916 - 25833 AND 8 ias AND vs all mobs, not just elites ---> I would pick SOJ here yes, most probably

ring 2 525 - 1060 x 1.15 x 22.1 x 5.3 x 0.2 = 14143 - 28556 AND 8 ias AND 4 cc AND vs all mobs, not just elites --> I would pick rare ring over here
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Nov 9 2012 11:50am
I'm having trouble at the start of fights, I'm new to barbs and this build. So I have a few questions for you Tboner:

Here is my current gear: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Heyasuki-1853/hero/28325056 (the skills at the bottom didn't update for some reason and I'm using the same you do)

1: How do yo start your fights? Do you spam Run like the wind until your fury regen is enough before hitting battle rage all the time? (I seem to die a lot on elites at the start of battles due to lack of fury however once I get going It's pretty crazy how you feel invincible)
2: What affixes give you the most trouble and how do you combat them?
3: do you mostly play alone or in a group?
4: Do you see any issues with my current gear that need fixing?

Thanks for the help!

This post was edited by heyasuki on Nov 9 2012 11:52am
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Nov 9 2012 12:53pm
Quote (markilbaldacchino @ Nov 9 2012 04:56am)
he probably means socket / ias ef vs socket / cd, i would go socket / ias too if theres a new speed bp in reach. Would choose that over 50-80 cd, when i still have 100 cd in socket, anyday. but yeah preference ....

and about this



it adds more raw dmg then most rings yes, but at the expense of a possible speed bp, more cc, and also vs elites only
its only vs elites, and in higher mp your overall kill speed suffers as a result
with a godly rare ring you can reach more crit chance and another speed breakpoint, not only more tornado damage numbers, so even more effective dps

here is the math

SOJ 25elite, 6% ele

with 500-1000 mainhand, 400 cd, 2000 str

vs

ring 1 60 str, 20cd, 8 ias
ring 2 25-60 dmg, 30 cd, 110 str, 4cc, 8 ias

SOJ 500 - 1000 x 1.46 x 21 x 5 x 0.2 = 15330 - 30660

ring 1 500 - 1000 x 1.15 x 21.6 x 5.2 x 0.2 = 12916 - 25833 AND 8 ias AND vs all mobs, not just elites ---> I would pick SOJ here yes, most probably

ring 2 525 - 1060 x 1.15 x 22.1 x 5.3 x 0.2 = 14143 - 28556 AND 8 ias AND 4 cc AND vs all mobs, not just elites --> I would pick rare ring over here



EF - thats not how EF works unless mayb u were using an axe and u could reach the new BP on both weapons but I think I would still choose crit dmg..

IMO once u hit the 2.51+ aps BP there isnt any point going for higher.. and with EF and a mace MH you will have 1.45 base on both weapons.. and with the right amount of IAS you will hit like say 2.53/2.53 both sides.. having an IAS EF will bump you to maybe 2.58/2.63 .. u would still need 2-3 ias items just to bump u up one bp on ONE WEAPON

so.. 60+ CHD is WAAAAAY better



as for the soj.. im not sure how the math works out but the boost in dmg is massive.. and also top barbs will still be melting whites in high MPs so they dont need help vs whites.. and a scoundrel wont provide as much snare as a soj on yourself

and like i said its better then MOST rings, and the rings im talking about are like u mentioned (high raw dmg, high str, ias (only if it bumps u up a BP.. which it wont for top barbs), high cc, high chd)



Quote (heyasuki @ Nov 9 2012 10:50am)
I'm having trouble at the start of fights, I'm new to barbs and this build. So I have a few questions for you Tboner:

Here is my current gear: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Heyasuki-1853/hero/28325056 (the skills at the bottom didn't update for some reason and I'm using the same you do)

1: How do yo start your fights? Do you spam Run like the wind until your fury regen is enough before hitting battle rage all the time? (I seem to die a lot on elites at the start of battles due to lack of fury however once I get going It's pretty crazy how you feel invincible)
2: What affixes give you the most trouble and how do you combat them?
3: do you mostly play alone or in a group?
4: Do you see any issues with my current gear that need fixing?

Thanks for the help!



id need to see ur updated stats to make a good assessment but looks to me like ur armor/res are too low to be using overpower.. go back to warcry till u get better gear

1) I just run right in with sprint up and ww thru, once 2-3 nados are hitting i start spamming sprint/br to keep wotb up...

2) Uhh.. only thing thats remotely "challenging" is like reflect dmg + health link + electrified

3) either or..

4) STR is very low crit chance low dps is low.. could use more res too but if ur using war cry should be fine on res

This post was edited by Tboner on Nov 9 2012 01:02pm
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Nov 9 2012 02:54pm
Thank you so much for the tips, you are one awesome mate. I have no idea why everything didn't update as my damage is now 58k without battle rage/overpower. My chest and pants are just bad and I'll need to replace them. My resist was sitting at 550-650 so I thought that would be fine.

1) I just run right in with sprint up and ww thru, once 2-3 nados are hitting i start spamming sprint/br to keep wotb up...

This is good information thanks!

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Nov 9 2012 09:15pm
hi there

firstly thanks so much for the info

just a question my barb on character sheet has a attack speed of 2.01 on MH
so 2.01 means it fits to this category right = 2.00001-2.22222 aps - 9 frames per tick - 6.67 ticks per second - 20 ticks

thanks for your help
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