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cmcneil06
#1 Jul 17 2012 02:01am
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I currently have a lower dps weapon (around 800) but have insane crit bonuses. I am wondering which attack would provide the biggest output for me. I am using WoHF right now with fists of furry and like the way it works.
I am currently at 900 LoH and 5.9% life leech. I am trying to up my dps as much as possible to make my life leech more effective. Therefore, the normal LoH skills like FoT are irrelevant to me. I want to know which attack will
dump the most dps on them so that my healing power is uped from life steal. I am also planning on dumping a/s for more crit dmg since i currently attack at 2.1 a/s. I am considering keen eye with dmg buff but I just HATE DR for some reason.
Someone please throw some input in on this. Also, at this point I think I might be going over with life gains. Should I drop a couple hundred points in LoH for alot more dps? Would essentially increase the bonus from life leech so it all goes full circle.
Damn does life leech make things interesting.
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Quote (cmcneil06 @ Jul 17 2012 04:01am)
I currently have a lower dps weapon (around 800) but have insane crit bonuses. I am wondering which attack would provide the biggest output for me. I am using WoHF right now with fists of furry and like the way it works.
I am currently at 900 LoH and 5.9% life leech. I am trying to up my dps as much as possible to make my life leech more effective. Therefore, the normal LoH skills like FoT are irrelevant to me. I want to know which attack will
dump the most dps on them so that my healing power is uped from life steal. I am also planning on dumping a/s for more crit dmg since i currently attack at 2.1 a/s. I am considering keen eye with dmg buff but I just HATE DR for some reason.
Someone please throw some input in on this. Also, at this point I think I might be going over with life gains. Should I drop a couple hundred points in LoH for alot more dps? Would essentially increase the bonus from life leech so it all goes full circle.
Damn does life leech make things interesting.


Crip wave?

each attack is a slight aoe attack, where as fot the first 2 attacks only hit 1 monster.

with crip wave you could be hitting +2 monsters with each hit thus kinda doubling your dps, but theres also a speed diffrence.

I use both Fot/TC and Crip wave/concussion, I have 1k loh, 5.7% ll, and 30k dps, i run from champ to champ, when i get to the next champ theres usually a load more there then just the champ, so i use crip wave with its huge aoe to clear out everything, with concussion and the evffects of the third strike its quite nice in crowd control, plus there might be 20 monsters mobed up ontop of me, if im hitting each of them for 20k dmg thats 400k dps that im leeching from in one hit which with 5% ll is 4k life.

Butttt eventually the mob gets worn down and theres just 3 elites left to deal with, at this point LOH becomes much better and thus FOT/TC becomes much better with its faster attack speed. if im only hitting 3 monsters with 20k each thts 60k and only 600 life compare this to FOT/tc hitting almost twice as fast and 750 life on each hit 600 vs 1500, loh is cleary the winner, plus you still get life leech from the dmg your doing ontop of the LOH.
cmcneil06
#3 Jul 17 2012 02:42am
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Hmm interesting. There are just to many valuable skills to use to primaries imho. Using blinding flash to up my dps to over 70k fairly often is amazing to me.
My current spec is:
WoHF-Fist of Furry
BoH-Blazing wrath
Serenity-Ascension
Blinding Flash-Faith in the light
Sweeping wind-cyclone
Mantra of evasion-hard target

I have been playing with my skills some but really need to figure out which primary suits my build best. Looking to get some gear that works fairly directly with my primary so its pretty important. I think i'm going to stick with WoHF though. Just wondering if anyone knows of any
obvious cons this could cause.
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Quote (cmcneil06 @ Jul 17 2012 04:42am)
Hmm interesting. There are just to many valuable skills to use to primaries imho. Using blinding flash to up my dps to over 70k fairly often is amazing to me.
My current spec is:
WoHF-Fist of Furry
BoH-Blazing wrath
Serenity-Ascension
Blinding Flash-Faith in the light
Sweeping wind-cyclone
Mantra of evasion-hard target

I have been playing with my skills some but really need to figure out which primary suits my build best. Looking to get some gear that works fairly directly with my primary so its pretty important. I think i'm going to stick with WoHF though. Just wondering if anyone knows of any
obvious cons this could cause.


I roll with

Fot/tc
Crip wave/concussion
Blinding flash/faith
serenity/healing one
sweeping wind/cyclone
Moe/backlash

then guardians path/seize/OWE

back lash+sweeping winds+crip wave do a very good job in combination with life leech.
RAGEmond
#5 Jul 17 2012 05:58am
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#6 Jul 17 2012 09:05am
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Most dps output and spirit generation is fot.
anyone who tells you different is wrong.
Google some spreadsheets. All of them say the sqme thing.
Veranor2
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Quote (cmcneil06 @ Jul 17 2012 03:42am)
Hmm interesting. There are just to many valuable skills to use to primaries imho. Using blinding flash to up my dps to over 70k fairly often is amazing to me.
My current spec is:
WoHF-Fist of Furry
BoH-Blazing wrath
Serenity-Ascension
Blinding Flash-Faith in the light
Sweeping wind-cyclone
Mantra of evasion-hard target

I have been playing with my skills some but really need to figure out which primary suits my build best. Looking to get some gear that works fairly directly with my primary so its pretty important. I think i'm going to stick with WoHF though. Just wondering if anyone knows of any
obvious cons this could cause.


Without knowing your stats, its hard to determine what kind of skills you *could* use. There's nothing wrong with WotHF (especially with high crit on the 2nd hit sequence).

I will say that MoE + Hard Target is nearly (note: nearly. back off haters) worthless on a damage build. Stack your dodge and go with Backlash or change to MoC + Overawe and stack your crit damage + chance. Even with midrange weapons, if you have a ton of crit, they will rival the damage of high DPS weapons with lower or no crit.

cmcneil06
#8 Jul 17 2012 04:44pm
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You know im glad you said that. I have the conversation with alot of monks about FoT and the majority now seem to always say its shit and to use something else. I have had the best results by FAR with FoT. But, this was when I was up around 2k LoH.
Since I have been rolling with 900 LoH and 5.9% Life leech, I have been using WoHF and have really liked the added AoE results. I am thinking of going back to FoT now with TC but I have some potential pros and cons for this.

The cons of this are:
1 is) I think that since my LL is stronger than my LoH at the point I am at, I think I need as much AoE as possible since thats when LL functions best. I lose a ton of AoE capability by switching to FoT, granted my LoH would start functioning really well again. But, with this mindset, CW would be the key stats to have.
2 is)The teleport that TC uses really pisses me off sometimes. You have nearly ZERO chance of fighting desc, plagued, molten, etc. mobs without getting dmg dumped on you. With WoHF I seem to have a decent range I can hit them at which is usually the width of a normal molten/desc.

The pros to this are:
1) FoT seems to attacks alot faster per second. WoHF seems to have a much longer delay at the end of the 3rd hit.
2)My LoH would start functioning a hell of alot better.
3) Treasure gobs become MUCH easier to slaughter quickly.

I really, REALLY hate using 2 primary skills in my setup. Can anyone point out any big pros of using another skill over one I have in my setup? I don't see nearly any reasons why adding maybe range and some dmg from keen eye would suffice losing Blinding or SW.

In response to RAGE's post, that is all LoH info. I am no longer focusing my stats toward LoH and am now focusing as MUCH as possible toward LL. Let me know if you know of any life leech charts. Thanks.

This post was edited by cmcneil06 on Jul 17 2012 04:45pm
Veranor2
#9 Jul 17 2012 05:26pm
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Life leech is nerfed by 80% in inferno. Therfore if you have 6% life leech, and only do, say 10k hits, you'll only get roughly 120 life per hit (give or take). Where life leech comes into play, is if you do solid AoE against multiple targets, as well as crit consistently in the 100k range. 100k hits will yield you nearly 1200 life per hit (give or take) if your life leech is @ 6%. This is pretty accurate as I have around 2.8% with 100k crits and am getting like 400-700 per hit @ 100% health.

You can use different AoEs to help enhance your life leech. Wave of Light, Cyclone Strike, Crippling Wave, and Sweeping Wind can be big contributors. Also, MoE + Backlash and MoR can contribute. I haven't tested WoL at all, so I can't tell you how reliable it is at 350% crit. I would not recommend using a WoL build unless you also have life per spirit.




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CRIP WAVE + MANGLE FOR LIFE HOMIE
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