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AiNedeSpelCzech
#91 Jun 21 2012 10:33am
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Quote (Dune1 @ 21 Jun 2012 11:30)
If you read back a few pages I posted this same link with a remark that anything can be misconstrued if taken out of context.

Calm your horses their champ.  Walk it off.

Edit: Actually I must have posted this in another thread of his that was pretty much the same thing.  "Bible is wrong, etc etc.."


So you think the best response to someone who's taking shit out of context and acting like a tool is to take shit out of context and act like a tool?

What a great plan, that sort of behavior definitely isn't responsible for the shitty state of politics today, among other things.
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#92 Jun 21 2012 10:37am
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Quote (AiNedeSpelCzech @ Jun 21 2012 12:33pm)
So you think the best response to someone who's taking shit out of context and acting like a tool is to take shit out of context and act like a tool?

What a great plan, that sort of behavior definitely isn't responsible for the shitty state of politics today, among other things.


No, I used his own text to show that anything can present the wrong message if taken out of context.

Stop with your tough-guy internet act. No need for the hostilities. It must be a crappy life when you go around looking for things to be pissed off about.

This post was edited by Dune1 on Jun 21 2012 10:38am
AiNedeSpelCzech
#93 Jun 21 2012 10:38am
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Quote (Dune1 @ 21 Jun 2012 11:37)
No, I used his own text to show that anything can present the wrong message if taken out of context. 

Stop with your tough-guy internet act.  No need for the hostilities.  It must be a crappy life when you go around looking for things to pissed off about.


Trust me, plenty of people give me reasons to be pissed off without having to look at all. For instance.
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#94 Jun 21 2012 10:39am
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Quote (AiNedeSpelCzech @ Jun 21 2012 12:38pm)
Trust me, plenty of people give me reasons to be pissed off without having to look at all.  For instance.


Right.. Angry people always find reasons to blame everyone else. For instance.
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#95 Jun 21 2012 10:41am
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Quote (poulgaragr @ Jun 21 2012 12:20pm)
show me, mr hypocrite, WHERE this is taken out of context:

*Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, “Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to the whole creation. 16 He that believes and is baptised shall be saved; but he that disbelieves shall be condemned. 17 Believers will be given the power to perform miracles; in my name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; 18 they will pick up serpents; and when they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.”

Now, here is an interesting piece of information:

In the most ancient manuscripts, Mark 16 ends at verse 8! 9-20 is missing. These last 11 verses were added in the 10th century, because the Gospel according to Mark, which was the first Gospel ever written (and then again 65 years after Jesus, when all the disciples were already dead), doesn't mention the resurrection, nor does it mention the ascension of Jesus Christ.

Thus, apart from the last 2 points, we have a dilemma here:

1-Admit that the Bible has been altered, thus corrupted.
2-Take the poison test to prove you are a true Christian believer.
3-Refuse to take the poison test, thus proving you are not a true Christian Believer!

And believe me, there is NO EXCUSE out of this! In my experience, I have encountered lots of missionaries and regular Christians who try (in vain) and make up excuses like: “You are tempting God”, or “These miracles were only meant for the disciples”, or “the disciples already performed these miracles, and so did Paul when he was bitten by a snake”...

However, ALL OF THESE EXCUSES are already refuted by Jesus who CLEARLY SAYS: “believers” (all those who are baptised etc.) will be able to perform these miracles”, thus, there is truly NO WAY OUT OF THIS!

Case Closed.

PS I will keep hammering you with this until you admit that you are wrong and your fake religion is just that: FAKE!!!


1. I admit the Bible has been altered, but it wasn't fortunate enough to avoid translation.
2. Another mistake of you taking the Bible literally. The Bible also says "You shall not put the Lord your God to the test." Which is exactly what we would be doing by attempting to perform miracles.
3. Check # 2

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(figured I'd try it out like you...it really does boost the self esteem...)

Now on to the Q'uran

The Q'uran tells us MANY different ways man was created..."we are created from earth (11:61), sometimes from dry clay (15:26,28,33, 17:61, 32:7), sometimes from nothing (19:67), sometimes not from nothing (52:35), sometimes from wet earth (23:12), or from mire (38:71), sometimes from water (25:54, 21:30, 24:45), sometimes from dust (3:59, 30:20, 35:11) or even sometimes from the dead (30:19, 39:6)".

There was a time when Muslims clerics would establish fatwa?s against those claiming the earth to be spherical. Although the Qur'an describes a flat earth we find Muslims today adamant that the Qur'an portrays a round one. However no verse exclaiming this planet is round can be found in the Qur'an.

21:31-32 And We have set on the earth mountains standing firm, lest it should quake with them, and We have made therein broad highways between mountains for them to pass through. And we have made the sky a roof withheld from them. 13:2 Allah raised the heavens without any pillars that ye can see; He is firmly established on the throne; and has subjected the sun and the moon each one to run its course for a term appointed. 18:86 Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People.
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#96 Jun 21 2012 10:43am
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Quote (Dune1 @ 21 Jun 2012 11:39)
Right.. Angry people always find reasons to blame everyone else.  For instance.


Except he's at least got the excuse of being a closed-minded bigot who thinks this is a good idea. What's your excuse?

It's not blaming others. It's just pointing out that acting like an idiot is a bad idea.
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#97 Jun 21 2012 10:46am
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Quote (AiNedeSpelCzech @ Jun 21 2012 12:43pm)
Except he's at least got the excuse of being a closed-minded bigot who thinks this is a good idea.  What's your excuse? 

It's not blaming others.  It's just pointing out that acting like an idiot is a bad idea.


AiNedeSpelCzech, calm down, lol. Dune1 was just doing that to show poulgaragr how ridiculous his claims are.
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Quote (AiNedeSpelCzech @ Jun 21 2012 12:43pm)
Except he's at least got the excuse of being a closed-minded bigot who thinks this is a good idea.  What's your excuse? 

It's not blaming others.  It's just pointing out that acting like an idiot is a bad idea.


Do people not see their mistakes clearly until their mistakes are laid out in front of them? "Putting the shoe on the other foot" as it has been termed.

What's your excuse for turning into The Hulk over something petty? Nurture or Nature?

Quote (xXAn0nym0usXx @ Jun 21 2012 12:46pm)
AiNedeSpelCzech, calm down, lol. Dune1 was just doing that to show poulgaragr how ridiculous his claims are.


Internet is serious business.

This post was edited by Dune1 on Jun 21 2012 10:49am
AiNedeSpelCzech
#99 Jun 21 2012 10:56am
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Quote (xXAn0nym0usXx @ 21 Jun 2012 11:46)
AiNedeSpelCzech, calm down, lol. Dune1 was just doing that to show poulgaragr how ridiculous his claims are.


I'm not exactly in a frothy rage or anything. I just think that this sort of shit just makes the problem worse instead of better and that it's worth addressing.

Quote (Dune1 @ 21 Jun 2012 11:48)
Do people not see their mistakes clearly until their mistakes are laid out in front of them?  "Putting the shoe on the other foot" as it has been termed.

What's your excuse for turning into The Hulk over something petty?  Nurture or Nature?


Saying "You're a moron for being a closed-minded extremist, and I will be a closed-minded extremist against you to show you that" has never worked, I am pretty sure. I have never once seen anyone even begin to open their mind because they were personally attacked about something that was precious to them. I'd like to think you're smart enough to know that, and really just wanted an excuse to act shitty.
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#100 Jun 22 2012 03:12am
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Quote (Dune1 @ Jun 21 2012 04:27pm)
http://www.wvinter.net/~haught/Koran.html

Have you fought and killed any infidels lately?


I REPEAT, WITHIN CONTEXT:

*Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, “Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to the whole creation. 16 He that believes and is baptised shall be saved; but he that disbelieves shall be condemned. 17 Believers will be given the power to perform miracles; in my name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; 18 they will pick up serpents; and when they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.”

Now, here is an interesting piece of information:

In the most ancient manuscripts, Mark 16 ends at verse 8! 9-20 is missing. These last 11 verses were added in the 10th century, because the Gospel according to Mark, which was the first Gospel ever written (and then again 65 years after Jesus, when all the disciples were already dead), doesn't mention the resurrection, nor does it mention the ascension of Jesus Christ.

Thus, apart from the last 2 points, we have a dilemma here:

1-Admit that the Bible has been altered, thus corrupted.
2-Take the poison test to prove you are a true Christian believer.
3-Refuse to take the poison test, thus proving you are not a true Christian Believer!

And believe me, there is NO EXCUSE out of this! In my experience, I have encountered lots of missionaries and regular Christians who try (in vain) and make up excuses like: “You are tempting God”, or “These miracles were only meant for the disciples”, or “the disciples already performed these miracles, and so did Paul when he was bitten by a snake”...

However, ALL OF THESE EXCUSES are already refuted by Jesus who CLEARLY SAYS: “believers” (all those who are baptised etc.) will be able to perform these miracles”, thus, there is truly NO WAY OUT OF THIS!

Case Closed.

PS I will keep hammering you with this until you admit that you are wrong and your fake religion is just that: FAKE!!!
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