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Mar 27 2011 10:10am
Quote (hue_two @ 27 Mar 2011 11:56)
azurewrath ignores phys res of undead and the aura gives ed for grief


Sanctuary aura does not work as intended, however;
does:
Ignore's positive physical resistance of undead for physical attacks done by the aura provider
aura pulses damage and knock-back undeads within the radius

does not:
add enhanced damage to undead monsters
reduce undeads physical resistance for crushing blow damage

example:
10 000 life 100% physical resists undead monster is attacked by a 1000 damage attack with 100% CB from a player that has Sanctuary aura active
the monster will take 1000 damage from the first attack leaving it with 9 000 life

example2:
10 000 life 100% physical resists undead monster is cursed with decrepify and attacked by a 1000 damage attack with 100% CB from a player that has Sanctuary aura active
decrepify works at 1/5 when breaking immunities, so the CB damage is reduced by (100% - 50%/5) = 90%
the monster takes 10 000*(1 - 90%)/4 + 1000 = 1 250 damage leaving it with 8 750 life
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Mar 27 2011 10:20am
Quote (Synonym @ 27 Mar 2011 17:22)
ye right, and when using grief/grief setup u have only 75%ds, so more ds = shit ofc? lulz..
even with death/grief, ds is at 60-70/40, still all the more reason to have more ds, even if u use gulli which is +35ds, makes it 100 for death but grief's side needs more ds.

160% ed vs 120%ed + xx%extra ds.
pretty self explanatory.


Guillaumes has 35CB/15DS


Quote (Synonym @ 27 Mar 2011 18:23)
ohrite ^_^ sorri, me no play long tyme.


I'm only nitpicking, didn't actually contribute so np :|

This post was edited by smackme on Mar 27 2011 10:33am
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Quote (smackme @ Mar 27 2011 07:20pm)
Guillaumes has 35CB/15DS


ohrite ^_^ sorri, me no play long tyme.
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Mar 27 2011 03:39pm
Quote (Synonym @ Mar 27 2011 09:22am)
ye right, and when using grief/grief setup u have only 75%ds, so more ds = shit ofc? lulz..
even with death/grief, ds is at 60-70/40, still all the more reason to have more ds, even if u use gulli which is +35ds, makes it 100 for death but grief's side needs more ds.

160% ed vs 120%ed + xx%extra ds.
pretty self explanatory.


thats still wrong because of diminishing returns for mastery

it takes over 15 points to get 6% extra DS(EDIT correction an extra 6%)

maxing mastery is a thing of the past for good frenzy barb players.

Gores, Highlords and 2 eDeath Ettins and lvl 9 or so mastery = more than enough DS

synergies >>>masteries every time all the time.

now BEFORE synergies were introduced i would agree with you. but for frenzy synergy>>

you guys do math alot, if you averaged it out with "good" gear youd see im right

This post was edited by Infamous_WuBird on Mar 27 2011 03:44pm
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Quote (Infamous_WuBird @ Mar 28 2011 12:39am)
thats still wrong because of diminishing returns for mastery

it takes over 15 points to get 6% extra DS(EDIT correction an extra 6%)

maxing mastery is a thing of the past for good frenzy barb players.

Gores, Highlords and 2 eDeath Ettins and lvl 9 or so mastery = more than enough DS

synergies >>>masteries every time all the time.

now BEFORE synergies were introduced i would agree with you. but for frenzy synergy>>

you guys do math alot, if you averaged it out with "good" gear youd see im right


lets start off by saying 2 edeath sux. death/grief or grief/grief. 2death is just slow and if decrep'd slow as fuck.

gulli 15
gores 15
hl 3x%
grief side - 20 / death side - 4x%
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8x% grief / 100% death.

sorri, even the d-returns of mastery > ed from synergies since every ds point you count will be more valuable than 100ed or so, especially when talking about grief raw dmg.
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Mar 27 2011 04:10pm
LOLLLLL

see this is what i mean

anyways

eDeath>>>all weapons for a frenzier in terms of sheer dmg

with laying of hands and a jewel here and there + faith on a Act 1 merc = 5FPA

stop it, i have 2 lacerators on switch to proc amp dmg. and i use 2 lawbringers to proc decrep on ubers.

using grief on frenzier is like using buriza on zon pre 1.09.

try it first before you knock it, cause its clear you havent.

EDIT:
the whole reason you think you need to max mastery is because of you insisting on using grief.

and even still in my build that i use:

20frenzy
20 Battle orders
20 taunt
20 double swing
1pt BC, Iron skin, Natural Resistance
enough in find item to have 40%>

the rest in mastery

so technically if i lvl in to 90s i will have not only the same CS as you but also more ED ^_^



This post was edited by Infamous_WuBird on Mar 27 2011 04:37pm
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Mar 27 2011 04:37pm
to clarify this with torch, anni, arreats +highlords = 7 to skills. at lvl 90 = 101 pts to use

at lvl 90 id have 24% CS and 78% ED if i maxed double swing(160% ed syn) = 238% ED + 24% CS
at lvl 90 id have 31% CS and 158% ED if i maxed mastery(40% ed syn) = 198% ED + 31% CS

considering id have gores(15), highlords(34) and 2 eDeath(45) =94 DS

(chance% = %CS + (1-%CS/100)*%DS)

(chance% = 24% + (1-24/100)*94) i have 95% chance for double dmg

(chance% = 31% + (1-31/100)*94) you have 96% chance for double dmg

and this is giving you the benefit of using eDeath over Grief.

if you use grief you are actually getting less chances of double dmg than me again.

therefore what i said about diminishing returns is indeed true.

Wubird = Barb king

This post was edited by Infamous_WuBird on Mar 27 2011 04:39pm
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Mar 27 2011 04:38pm
you can try as hard as you can, but dps > biggest damage.
another wonder-bread like you tried that some time ago, and argued with me that 8-9fpa wfzon with pride/might merc > faith merc. and later he changed that to wielding faith itself.

you gotta learn a thing or two about speed, countering curses, and overall progress of the area you're in.
fact is, dual death sucks compared to death/grief, and even grief/grief, and if i had the patience to write the whole thing down you'd be sat hard.

so nn rage.
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Quote (Synonym @ Mar 27 2011 04:38pm)
you can try as hard as you can, but dps > biggest damage.
another wonder-bread like you tried that some time ago, and argued with me that 8-9fpa wfzon with pride/might merc > faith merc. and later he changed that to wielding faith itself.

you gotta learn a thing or two about speed, countering curses, and overall progress of the area you're in.
fact is, dual death sucks compared to death/grief, and even grief/grief, and if i had the patience to write the whole thing down you'd be sat hard.

so nn rage.


numbers disagree

eDeath>grief

vs decrep at baal just attack monsters further back.

decrep in chaos = joke.

This post was edited by Infamous_WuBird on Mar 27 2011 04:54pm
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Mar 27 2011 04:46pm
http://diablo3.ingame.de/tips/calcs/weaponspeed.php?lang=english

if others want even more proof check the stats

grief max out 5FPA

edeath ettin max out 5FPA

20% layin of hands IAS
20% highlords
15% ias jewel
lvl 12 fanat

synonym i know youve been using grief forever but that doesnt mean you cant admit you were wrong.

eDeath dps >>grief
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