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Quote (andyd104 @ Jul 6 2010 01:54pm)
yeah what am i talking about, identical frequency radio waves never interfere


I'd love for you to detail to me how "identical frequency radio waves" make antennas "overheat". In 500 words or less with citations.
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I'd love for you to detail to me how "identical frequency radio waves" make antennas "overheat". In 500 words or less with citations.


well the more through-put you run through something i.e more voltage i.e more heat and netgear routers are known for antennas that overheat on channels other than 1, 6, and 11 when running in their full blast mode
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well the more through-put you run through something i.e more voltage i.e more heat and netgear routers are known for antennas that overheat on channels other than 1, 6, and 11 when running in their full blast mode


1. Show me where this is documented.

2. Channel has no effect on the amplification of the signal.

3. Netgear uses regular-old dipole antennas found on every single other consumer wireless router. They are literally nothing more than a simple copper coil of wire with rubber around it and aren't special to netgear. Therefore you would find this issue in non-netgear routers.

4. My WRT54GS running DD-WRT can crank the antenna amplification up well past the manuf. tolerance, yet the antennas don't heat up. The chipset does. I wonder why?!
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1. Show me where this is documented.

2. Channel has no effect on the amplification of the signal.

3. Netgear uses regular-old dipole antennas found on every single other consumer wireless router. They are literally nothing more than a simple copper coil of wire with rubber around it and aren't special to netgear. Therefore you would find this issue in non-netgear routers.

4. My WRT54GS running DD-WRT can crank the antenna amplification up well past the manuf. tolerance, yet the antennas don't heat up. The chipset does. I wonder why?!


almost all the netgears with internal antennas, have overheating issues on certain channels
http://compnetworking.about.com/od/wirelessrouters80211g/gr/netgearwgr614.htm
http://reviews.cnet.com/routers/netgear-wgu624-double-108/4864-3319_7-31202151.html?ctype=msgid&messageSiteID=7&messageID=1383014&cval=1383014

two reputable sites that report router overheating
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Both of those articles are years old. Hell the second one is from 2005. That's ancient in terms of networking tech.

Neither of those call out antennas as causing the issue. That netgear router's wireless a radio was overheating, not the antenna at all and it was due to bad design. See also almost all of the linksys antenna-less routers made in the last year.

edit: I don't even see anything about channels in those articles. You aren't even trying.

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Both of those articles are years old. Hell the second one is from 2005. That's ancient in terms of networking tech.

Neither of those call out antennas as causing the issue. That netgear router's wireless a radio was overheating, not the antenna at all and it was due to bad design. See also almost all of the linksys antenna-less routers made in the last year.

edit: I don't even see anything about channels in those articles. You aren't even trying.


i don't have the incentive to find the specific articles i have read over the last 10 years to find the specific citations. But it has been proven that on certain models of netgear routers channels 1, 6, and 11 are the coolest running channels and anything else runs hotter and with a decreased performance. some people have gone so far to say that the antennas overheat in the enclosed models, causing a forced restart or crash
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Jul 6 2010 10:10pm
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i don't have the incentive to find the specific articles i have read over the last 10 years to find the specific citations. But it has been proven that on certain models of netgear routers channels 1, 6, and 11 are the coolest running channels and anything else runs hotter and with a decreased performance. some people have gone so far to say that the antennas overheat in the enclosed models, causing a forced restart or crash


It hasn't been proven at all. I've been googling your pulled-out-of-your-ass story for 15 minutes and can't find shit. Also, since you are 20 years old i doubt you've been reading networking articles for "10 years". You must have been one intelligent 10 year old IT genius. Like a fucking Doogie Howser of Internet Engineering.
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Jul 6 2010 10:14pm
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It hasn't been proven at all. I've been googling your pulled-out-of-your-ass story for 15 minutes and can't find shit. Also, since you are 20 years old i doubt you've been reading networking articles for "10 years". You must have been one intelligent 10 year old IT genius. Like a fucking Doogie Howser of Internet Engineering.


well since my dad was the head engineer for the alpha mate series of computers in the late 80's early 90's for DEC i have had internet almost since day 1, i learned how to use it on windows 95. I will also be 21 in a day FUCK YEAH.
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Jul 6 2010 10:16pm
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well since my dad was the head engineer for the alpha mate series of computers in the late 80's early 90's for DEC i have had internet almost since day 1, i learned how to use it on windows 95. I will also be 21 in a day FUCK YEAH.


You do realize the internet pre-dates Win95 by quite a while, right? My first computer predated windows by years and had a modem for BBS/internetting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodore_64 Got it before it was discontinued and learned how to write really shitty programs on it in BASIC.

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