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Feb 12 2010 07:12pm
Deja vu and its possible connection to the spiritual

I posted this reply in a deja-vu topic in sci/tech/nature and I thought it would fit here too, so here goes:
( http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=39414727&f=90 )


Quote (RapDawg @ Feb 6 2010 09:50am)
Happen to me almost everday. One of the interesting effects of Salvia Divinorum is that it increases the frequency of Deja Vus that you experience, as a long-term effect.
Quote (TidsL @ Feb 6 2010 06:40pm)
Doesn't surprise me at all... Salvia Divinorum is a very strong boundary dissolving drug which produces an incredibly intense experience, and what I think it has done, is that it has locked up certain things in you. In other words strenghtened your connection to your soul. I think everything in our reality, each and every tiny little building block 'stretches out' beyond our perceivable world, and in that way potentially connects us all to some level. (Making telepathy etc possible) And we too, of course, are multidimensional beings, and the main part of our individual souls, I think, exists far outside of ourselves, beyond our reality, outside of time.

Time is only a physical phenomena, and since such a large part of ourselves exists in another, what you can call another dimension, in another wave spectrum so to speak, it means that from the souls perspective - everything is now. "Past" and "future" are concepts that don't apply there the way we think of it. We on the other hand don't have the "everything is now"-feeling because right now we are physical inhabitants temporarily bound by its laws.

The deja vu-feeling comes out as a neurological phenomena when information for whatever reason "leaks out" from our non-physical selves, creating the feeling of an old memory concerning a new experience. (In a way it is a memory, I think we're all living here according to an indiviual "plan", will develop a tiny bit in a sec) It feels like it has happened before, because in a sence it has happened before, cause time is an illusion. (not false, time sure exists, but still).

I think our individual souls (or whatever you wanna call it) makes up a plan for our lifes in advance, to learn and to experience certain things that it feels (or knows) is necessary for its own development. So when you find yourself on one of your planned paths, you can sometimes experience that feeling of deja vu. It's also possible that the deja vu feeling in some cases is caused by a memory of a past life experience, if you for ex. arrive at a place you've been to in another life, I mean. You don't have to follow your souls plan of course, you can always use your free will to avoid it but your subconscious is always trying to drag you back on track if you've lost it, so to speak. I guess you can think of this "soul-plan" in terms of fate if you will...

"We're not human beings having a spiritual experience, we are spiritual beings having a human experience" - Terence Mckenna




Feel free to discuss the deja vu phenomenon from all possible perspectives and, well yeah, we'll see what it leads to. :)

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Feb 12 2010 07:12pm
And to back up the statement about telepathy, and to encourage more speculation about the transcendental (anti material) I'm adding this:
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Feb 12 2010 07:13pm
Jesus gives you prophecy, yo.
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Feb 12 2010 07:13pm
Deja vu results from the brains natural desire to recognize patterns. We simply intrepret it incorrectly at times, thinking it to be a spiritual event.

Edit: And by "we" I don't mean everyone.

This post was edited by Handcuffs on Feb 12 2010 07:14pm
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Feb 12 2010 07:31pm
I think this experience happens to us at critical junctions in our lives or more specifically, those times when the predictable pattern of fractal time overlaps with another time period where the novelty is the same on a higher fractal epoch of time.

;)

Don't ask me to explain it to you further as I don't fully understand it myself but the idea came to me while learning about novelty theory and timewave zero which is a fascinating subject on its own.
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Feb 12 2010 07:49pm
Quote (TidsL @ Feb 13 2010 01:12am)
And to back up the statement about telepathy, and to encourage more speculation about the transcendental (anti material) I'm adding this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw_O9Qiwqew


Watching this video right now. Pretty good so far.
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Feb 12 2010 07:55pm
Quote (AEtheric @ Feb 13 2010 01:49am)
Watching this video right now. Pretty good so far.


I made it 3 minutes in and couldn't watch it any more.
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Feb 12 2010 11:29pm
Just to clarify, I don't see what I wrote as ultimate truths, just some of many possibilities.

Quote (datajunky @ Feb 13 2010 01:31am)
I think this experience happens to us at critical junctions in our lives or more specifically, those times when the predictable pattern of fractal time overlaps with another time period where the novelty is the same on a higher fractal epoch of time.

;)

Don't ask me to explain it to you further as I don't fully understand it myself but the idea came to me while learning about novelty theory and timewave zero which is a fascinating subject on its own.


Yeah, interesting, a bit similar to the theory that it happens when we somehow activate a currently hidden or not completely developed ability in the brain, which for a moment gives our logic a boost and helps us to calculate, somewhat accurate what might happen the very next moment. But that alone does not completely add up with the clip I posted (I hope it was this one, long time since I watched it), where one of the experiments tends to show that you can 'sence' the near future - even when it is randomly elaborated by a computer. Your theory involving Mckennas thoughts about fractal time however, does. I haven't thought about that, thanks. :)
Then perhaps logic is (a bit) analagous to fractal time, if we want to combine those two or three theories together. So this "logic boost" actually gives us a peak into that, and allows us to sence it. Also that psychedelics sometimes can act as catalysts for the part(s) of the brain that hides this theoretical ability, and activates it to some degree, like for RapDawg in the first quote. I haven't read his book The invisible landscape yet, where he wrote about the I Ching and all that, but I will some time. I didn't quite understand it in The archaic revival, where he also talked briefly about it.

edit: "(a bit)", analagous isn't the word I was looking for...

This post was edited by TidsL on Feb 12 2010 11:53pm
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Feb 12 2010 11:39pm
ITT: boymen talking some pseudo intelligent gibberish .
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Quote (TidsL @ Feb 13 2010 05:29am)
Just to clarify, I don't see what I wrote as ultimate truths, just some of many possibilities.



Yeah, interesting, a bit similar to the theory that it happens when we somehow activate a currently hidden or not completely developed ability in the brain, which for a moment gives our logic a boost and helps us to calculate, somewhat accurate what might happen the very next moment. But that alone does not completely add up with the clip I posted (I hope it was this one, long time since I watched it), where one of the experiments tends to show that you can 'sence' the near future - even when it is randomly elaborated by a computer. Your theory involving Mckennas thoughts about fractal time however, does. I haven't thought about that, thanks. :)
Then perhaps logic is (a bit) analagous to fractal time, if we want to combine those two or three theories together. So this "logic boost" actually gives us a peak into that, and allows us to sence it. Also that psychedelics sometimes can act as catalysts for the part(s) of the brain that hides this theoretical ability, and activates it to some degree, like for RapDawg in the first quote. I haven't read his book The invisible landscape yet, where he wrote about the I Ching and all that, but I will some time. I didn't quite understand it in The archaic revival, where he also talked briefly out it.

edit: "(a bit)", analagous isn't the word I was looking for...


Now when I read it again I'm still not sure about the exact word I was looking for, maybe just that ultimate logic and fractal time is analagous, but ultimate logic should always represent truth so that's obvious I guess, assuming fractal time is a fact.
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