Quote (daanno2 @ May 4 2024 03:07pm)

there's some consideration for exceptinal/elite upgrades which is tied to your clvl. for circlets etc, this matters more cuz of 3os magical tiaras/diadems (other bases can only get 2os) as well as magical tiara/diadems which people may pay more for due to gfx/rarity

i sometimes gamble claws as well which for sure benefits from lvl 99 char

Quote (SinsOfTheSun @ May 4 2024 04:27pm)

circs/coronets have
clvl 92 = 76.5% to be normal quality
clvl 99 = 67.9% to be normal quality
thats 8.6% diff that only matters for the number of sockets

the chance to roll the affix for 3 or 4 sockerts on a magic circ with all affixes available is 0.42%
the odds of rolling 3os/30frw is 1/7746 (0.01%)
so you basically gain .00086% better chance of rolling a 3os valuable circ if you gamble at clvl99 instead of 92, but no other benefits
is it worth the price increase? (20k igg)
no, absolutely not

about claws, rare claws kinda need to be eth. Magic claws are more easy to shop and does not require gold.
but yes, even if ilvl does not boost the chance for staffmod like imbuing does, normal claws cant have them.
so yes, better...
imo igg is better spent elsewhere still

Quote (SinsOfTheSun @ 4 May 2024 14:29)

Hard to say… very subjective to someone like me who plays mostly ssf…

Lets say body armors and weapons arent worth gambling cuz they can’t be eth. Claws would be an exception if you couldn’t shop them at anya more efficiently.
Rare gloves, boots, rings, amy, circs can all have high value.
What makes top contenders is the fact that magic amy/circ can also have a nice value (3skillers with few mods or 3os/frw etc). Since its 90% of what you gonna get I feel like those 2 choices are hard to beat.
Gloves can also roll 3/20ias but arent worth that much.
Another good option is boots. Even if magic boots have no value, 40res req only alvl25 so they can be gambled at very low cost with a much higher chance to roll with the right affixes since you restrict them.

So amy/circ is prob best, followed closely by boots, then rings, then gloves.

On classic, your investment/return is much higher, cuz items like gul daggers (or other valuable uniques each worth around 50fgs) are easy to get when gambling at low lvl for extremely cheap.

Quote (DarthLeader @ May 4 2024 10:09pm)

Out of curiosity, what is the optimal clvl to gamble the highest value boots? Stuff like 20-30 FRW with triple high resists? If you know it?

Quote (ddama @ May 5 2024 12:23am)

Which clvl shall be imbued on a Matriarchal Javelin? Is clvl 8 enough due to qlvl of Matriarchal Javelin is 65?

Quote (DarthLeader @ May 4 2024 10:09pm)

Out of curiosity, what is the optimal clvl to gamble the highest value boots? Stuff like 20-30 FRW with triple high resists? If you know it?

Quote (SinsOfTheSun @ 5 May 2024 11:03)

40res = alvl 25 (most important mod, ideally we should aim for it)
10fhr = alvl 5
25%mf = alvl 16
80%gf = alvl 17
20frw = alvl 22

30frw = alvl 37 sadly… you can still gamble in this range, but lower your chances for all affixes listed above.
If you aim for alvl 37, you unlock :
+4/5 dex at alvl 34
And 11-20 mana at alvl 37

+6-9 dex = alvl 46
31-40 mana = alvl 52
+life rep = alvl 70

So… for the best investment/return, I would aim for alvl 25.
Why?
To maintain the lowest gamble price and maximize the chances of high 3 res.
But something else to consider is…
When gambling, you’d normally want a higher clvl to have higher chances of items upgrading to exceptional / elite.
BUT items with a higher qlvl then require a higher ilvl to reach the same alvl.
Have a look at this chart :
https://www.theamazonbasin.com/wiki/index.php/Affix_level_chart

To have access to alvl 25 :
Boots qlvl 3 req ilvl 26
Heavy boots qlvl 7 req ilvl 28
Chain boots qlvl 12 req ilvl 31
Light plated boots qlvl 20 req ilvl 35

Add 5 to the ilvl above to know which clvl you need.
Exceptional versions start to roll above clvl 31 for boots, 33 heavy boots, 38 chain boots, 44 light plated boots, which will then require higher ilvl (and clvl) to roll the desired affixes.

Can you see the little breach through these numbers? ;)
Boots have overlapping numbers at ilvl 26 (clvl 31)
Heavy boots overlap at ilvl 28 (clvl 33)
They have a chance to roll exceptional and fuck with our alvl…
But chain boots?
ilvl 31 (clvl 36) and they wont appear exceptional before clvl 38.
The cost to gamble them at clvl 36 is only 9838 igg, and they have the highest chance to roll 3x 40res

TL;DR
Chain boots at clvl 36

But no, I didn’t know the answer when you asked. I just exposed the reason behind this answer as I was working all those numbers.
If you understand what I just wrote, then you’ll be able to figure out your own answers from now on ;)

Quote (DarthLeader @ May 5 2024 04:01pm)

You are a true master wizard of gambling! Thank you for the answer on optimal clvl to gamble a specific type of boots.

I see that the optimal level to gamble amulets and circlets/coronets is a lot more clean cut than boots, since there is only 1 type of amulet, 2 types of circlets (circlet/coronet) but multiple types of boots.

Quote (SinsOfTheSun @ May 5 2024 09:37pm)

If you want to have access to the typical best melee affixes, alvl 56 is what you are looking for to have a chance at 450ed or 300ed/fools, etc.

Imbuing at clvl 8, an item of qlvl 65 (without any magic lvl bonus) will only give you access to alvl 33.
A qlvl 65 item sadly needs to have ilvl 78+ to roll alvl 56+.
To imbue a ilvl 78, you need to be clvl 74.

78 is a nice breakpoint to remember. Any item without mlvl needs to be either qlvl 78 or ilvl 78 to have access to the best melee mods at alvl 56.
This is not only for imbuing, this rule stands for any item no matter where it came from.