No, empirical evidence points to autism being a genetic disorder that arises in germline mutations denovo. It's a large number of mutations that converge to cause similar effects on cell connectivity or firing rate in the brain.



It's not the vaccines

This post was edited by Sioux on Feb 23 2024 01:01pm

12 subsequent scientific studies showing zero proof is now a brisk dismissal? go on chief

even the original study was debunked....

This post was edited by gnarjay on Feb 23 2024 01:03pm

Remember when big tobacco would have professionals talk on the benefits of smoking? Big pharma is way more ethical though! I'm sure if they found a link between vaccines and autism they would gladly proclaim it at the top of mountains with trumpets even if it would kill billions in revenue streams and probably expose them to lawsuits that would bankrupt them.

None of us plebs know the real truth but it's safe to say that there's a certain conflict of interest.



..and what is causing the increased cases of genetic disorders?

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Feb 23 2024 01:06pm

specifically re:autism


link: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12876158

This post was edited by gnarjay on Feb 23 2024 01:13pm

I believe changes in diagnosing is only part of the answer. For example here is a study that talks about germline mutations transmitted to offspring. here is one specific finding from a much bigger sample pool:



If age is a factor, and currently adults are having kids at older ages, it follows some of these mutation increase are due to for example, that factor that changed from the 80s vs more recent, not simply better measuring.

My point is, our understanding of these things is fairly limited and there's a ton factors that play into it. It's not just better measuring today vs 30 years ago. It's like doing a regression analysis with thousands of independent variables that we don't have mapped and saying no this one is definitely not one of them because we know it's better measuring, age, what we eat, whatever.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3688758/#:~:text=Germline%20mutations%20at%20human%20minisatellites,%2Dconversion%20events%20(9).

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Feb 23 2024 01:30pm

yes, like i said there's a lack of evidence to suggest it is vaccines. and a lack of studying, many of the dozen studies were so small sample size and so rag tag they're hard to even call studies.

but from the genesis of the theory anyone who suggested it should be studied had been attacked as a whacko by big pharma and their lobby.

vaccination is a 57 billion dollar industry, you dont go after business that big without getting hate mail.

on RFK specifically tho it's comical to hear his non-policy stances be the only thing you hear about him. like anti biden people bringing up hair sniffing, or anti trump people bringing up mcdonalds consumption. i havent heard the anti rkf people go after his actual policy, he got run out of the DNC because of stuff he believes that isn't even strictly political.

theres actually overwhelming evidence it ISNT vaccines. idk why youre getting stuck up on that...have you read any of the studies? is an N of 500k children small to you?

vaccines promote health and longevity because they primarily prevent disease and death in children. in the late 90's there was a bad study published and yet here we are nearly 30 years later and people still believe it !

Im not against being skeptical but going full on conspiracy theory is where I draw the line. there isnt some vast scheme by the BIG VAX PHARMA BROS to make everyone kids autistic

My mother is a massive Trump hater and Hillary lover (strong hypercompetent woman like Hillary who worked in foreign affairs) and she is against frivolous vaccination, I'm thankful that she opted us kids out of these shots they loved giving at school.

Anyone who blindly trusts vaccines and big pharma is a dimwit. Be careful what you inject into yourself.

the evidence suggests environmental exposure to contaminants triggers genetic mutations which cause autism. but somehow people who think exposure to mercury and other chemicals in the slew of ingredients in many different recipe vaccines could also be causal is a bridge too far? odd take on that front imo. we're now in a place where research suggests we can start making a list chemicals which cause autism, but the idea that one of thousands of chemicals in hundreds of different vaccines may be on that list is absurd?

now, where we agree is that the idea of common vaccines are the sole cause of autism, and that vaccines are bad and kids shouldn't be vaccinated is a bad idea. its a bad narrative, and a drastic overreaction. as are any narratives that there's a cabal of deepstate pharma bros trying to make more kids autistic.

on topic thats what irks me about RFK, he doesnt strike me as the "5g is going to control our brains" type. yet gets lumped in with them constantly and was run out of the race as a supposed lunatic. when in reality he has a life long track record of fighting big pharma and big business for the good of the population. but google him and you get 1000 articles about how he's actually just Maga 2.0 and out of his gourd.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Feb 23 2024 02:07pm

see this is where my problem with him (and others like him) is. to THINK these things is one thing, to actually promote misinformation that is not backed by sound science (or any science really ) is something else entirely. Im all for skepticism and due diligence to find the truth




glad we agree here



he said on Rogan's podcast that 5g causes "leaky brain" and cancer - both lies
he claimed covid19 was engineered to give Jews and Chinese immunity.....LOL. he is most definitely , without a doubt in my mind out of his fucking gourd
he also said chemicals in the water are turning kids trans...like really dude? these are just a few of the insane things he said recently

he went from a pretty damn good environmental lawyer to a full-on fringe conspiracy theorist in just a few years. I dont think he is a malicious, divisive demagogue like Trump but hes definitely gone full nut-nut. I cant tell if its all a scheme to pander to the ever-growing number of conspiracy theorists in this country or if he actually believes half of the shit he says

edited because i cant use quotes apparently

This post was edited by gnarjay on Feb 23 2024 02:50pm