FOI GMB Vs. FAITH GMB

vote which you find to be the better bow of the 2
and post a comment why

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Foi stats:
min-max damage: 55-284
Level 15 Fanaticism Aura When Equipped (varies)
+2 To All Skills (varies)
+20% increased attack speed
+20% deadly strike
+7% life stolen per hit
+295% Enhanced Damage
Ignore Target's Defense
300% Bonus To Attack Rating
+3 To Attack Rating
+120 Fire Damage
All Resistances +15
10% Reanimate As: Returned


Foi's differences to Faith are:
+20% ias
+20% ds
-50% ed
+7% ll
No +75% Damage To Undead
No +50 To Attack Rating Against Undead
and less min/max damage 55-284
No 75% Extra Gold From Monsters

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Faith stats:
min-max damage: 62-320
Level 15 Fanaticism Aura When Equipped (varies)
+2 To All Skills (varies)
+345% Enhanced Damage
Ignore Target's Defense
300% Bonus To Attack Rating
+3 To Attack Rating
+75% Damage To Undead
+50 To Attack Rating Against Undead
+120 Fire Damage
All Resistances +15
10% Reanimate As: Returned
75% Extra Gold From Monsters

This post was edited by ViperClaw on May 17 2013 07:01pm

330 - 50 = 280

edit: oh you edited

This post was edited by Bojana on May 17 2013 06:54pm

ffs ruined my edit here sry here are the 2 bows so you can compare them visually



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heres some theorycrafting about the damage of the bows with the lo vs ohm (+20% ds vs +50% dmg). i assumed the bowa will have about 75% critical chance (if your bowa has higher then the foi damage will be even worse then what i counted, and vice versa)

faith total dmg with 2x dmg: (0.75)*2+0.25=1.75
faith total dmg multiplicator: 4.3

faith total dmg = 4.3 (dmg multiplicator)*1.75 (damage increased by cs+ds) = 7.525

foi total dmg with 2x dmg: (0.8)*2+0.2=1.8
foi total dmg multiplicator: 3.8

foi total dmg = 3.8 (dmg multiplicator)*1.8 (damage increased by cs+ds) = 6.84

faith/foi = (7.525)/(6.84) = ~1.10

faith still has 10% more damage after the Lo rune. note that superior bows will lower this to about 9%, still faith will have better dmg after the Lo. the only question is, is the 20% ias worth it. i say no, but thats just my opinion

edit: math is okay, im just not sure the game mechanics is like i assumed it to be like adding the dex bonus to dmg and shit

This post was edited by Bojana on May 17 2013 07:21pm

well the thing is you would use highlords with it and have additional 35+ds or atmas amu for the chance to proc amp and still maintain 7fps ias bp

and I think my bower as most have 72% crit

This post was edited by ViperClaw on May 17 2013 07:21pm

i used number 75 cause the closest with whole numbers as solutions and with highlord, the value of Lo rune will be even less the only thing is that i never played a bowa with foi cause i couldnt afford it, so maybe theres some better way to use that 20% ias. but damage is a lot lower really

Faith Of Ice Is Deception

Diamond Faith requires 65% IAS, which is easily achieved with: Rare Diadem 30%, Cat's Eye 20%, Knockback Gloves 20%
+20% IAS from Faith of Ice Diamond would do absolutely nothing to improve your setup here as these are the items you would want to wear anyway, regardless of a 20% IAS bonus from the bow
Also, Faith of Ice does not give as much Enhanced Damage % to the actual weapon damage as standard Faith bows, which = bad
Most people think that the 20% deadly strike is a superior gain in damage over a standard Faith bow and this is wrong, I'll explain why at the bottom of this post

GMB Faith requires 92% IAS, which is easily achieved with: 45%/120, Cat's Eye 20%, Knockback Gloves 20%, Nosferatu's 10%
Again, the +20% IAS from Faith of Ice does nothing to help this setup
At first glance it would seem obvious to wear Faith of Ice, gain 20% IAS and ditch Nosferatu's and wear a Dungo for more life/DR%
But due to the significantly lower whole number damage on a Faith of Ice and the 20% Deadly Strike barely doing anything to help your damage output, you will be dealing significantly lower damage than even a standard Diamond Bow Faith
Long story short, if you are trying to benefit from the Faith of Ice GMB's 20% IAS, you'd be better off just using a Diamond Faith to begin with


I'll explain why the 20% Deadly Strike is doing nothing to help your Bowa and how Critical/Deadly work together:

Bowazons commonly add base 20 points in to Critical Strike (If you don't do this, you aren't building your Bowa correctly)
Bowazons easily reach 70% to 73% Critical Strike with +skill items to begin with
Considering an Amazon has a base Critical of 70% and let's say she is wearing Faith of Ice for 20% Deadly, here is how the game runs Critical/Deadly:
* You fire Guided Arrow, it hits
* The game first attempts to roll Critical Strike 70%, if it works and deals double damage, the Deadly Strike does nothing else
* If Critical Strike misses, the game then attempts to roll Deadly Strike 20% (after the Critical has already been attempted)
((There is no quadruple damage, Crit/Deadly does not work at the same time, ever))

So essentially, with a 70% Critical ~ 7/10 Guided arrows are dealing double damage or 70% of the time you are dealing double damage
This means that only 3/10 hits or 30% of the time, your Deadly Strike is doing anything at all and when it does, it is only a 2/10 chance (If Crit misses) For the Deadly to work at all
All in all, you are gaining much more damage output by just plain having higher weapon damage to begin with

Even if you were wearing Faith of Ice, Highlord's and Gore Rider (which is even further loss of whole number damage)
You would still be dealing 7/10 Crits
Missing crits 3/10 shots
and then 3/10 shots only having a 6/10 chance to save that double damage
But this setup lowers your whole number damage, fast run walk, +STR and life = Not worth it

Faith of Ice is pure deception, worthless and entirely over-priced

If I were to use FoI, the main incentive for me would be the extra life leech it gives for hit-detection on multishot, but I'd rather get that on a pair of gloves and give up 15 vit instead of 50 weapon ED.

The problem with FoI's IAS is it does not effect your swap weapon, on bnet I feel that it's imperative to hit 9fpa with Titans since rare javs replenish so slowly that even if you do use them as a main weapon you will need to keep some Titans in stash if you duel a lot for certain match-ups. If FoI had 40 ias (to stack vs 10% slow) then it would be another case, but it doesn't, so I don't think the IAS really changes anything.

On priv realms it's a different case since using rare javs 24/7 is actually viable, but even still I like using 40 ias mats+reg GMB so that I have slow stack on swap.

This post was edited by Jolteown on May 18 2013 02:37am

Despite the gf stat, foi is a nice bow for pvm

Normal Bow - Faith
Tri - FoI