Hi all,

Lets here discuss any ideas about building a Vanquisher.

p.s.
4-5 years ago i had a nice smiter, could nearly solo tristram, even without dying, found one day a little post where he is discussed a littlebit
http://www.battleforums.com/forums/diablo-2/103023-guide-getting-keys-hellfire-charm.html
The guy says
smiter w/ life tap: (couldnt take screens of this on account i kept dieing :hbut) he was swarmed with 50+minions in trist and he was living like nothing

thanks apreciated ;)

Ok, so back then i had a hammerdin with offensive skillers instead of combats, to give ppl more dmg in baalruns and so on. Hammerdin has still moree then enough dmg.
So back then this acc full of perfect items on different pvp chars has been banned. And i havent been playing for 4-5 years.

So a view weeks ago i wanted to play a littlebit got some cdkey online and here i am. So at first i wanted agane, a hammerdin with offensive skillers. And also with exile to give defiance for party. But after playing a littlebit i saw i need some smite dmg. And after seatching i came across this thread
http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=438088

So i restated him and have put 20 skills to smite. Because guy here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZ-WfmhK__g
advises smite instead of holy shield because it gives percentage dmg and not just plain smite dmg and its interesting with grief.

Even more after going to tristram this time i saw how weak my smite dmg was i shifted more to the smite then hammer. As i remember lvling my smiter he was actually quite finished after lvl 60. Max smite fana and holy shield. And then i usedd some skills in Foh and Conv. But now actually it would be pretty nice to make hammerdin out of this smiter.

Soo here we go
now i have this pal
stats 100 dex rest vit
skills max conc smite hammer vigor and 10 to holy shield

im still thinkimg wasnt it better idea to put more to blessed aim instead of holy shield to increase hammer dmg and decrease smite. But i think this right now is already pretty good. Because i still kill monsters without any problems. Also i compared smite dmg with maxed fana and conv. And difference was very little. The only thing is ias. but i tought if phase blade has enough speed for smite. There is no reasoon to have fana. Conv will give emg to both hammer and smite. Also i changed off skillers to combat. Because its actually has more sence since we are playing with not maxed skills and smite and so on. When it was a pure hammerdin he could use off to increase concentration, but now with maxed smite and not skilled blessed aim he has not that much hammer dmg anymore as pure hammer so combat skillers can be alot more of help.

So the items are right now
Silence, pb
Eni mp,
Shako ber,
Exile, sacred roncache 37 res - planning to get zakarum 40 plus res, this is the one i like because of stablee smite dmg
mara twenty something, bk, 10 fcr dex ring,
waterwalks and trang glowes - planning to get 2 pala 20 fcr stats res amu and use bloodfists instead

on swap cta and spirit offcourse, the cta is supperior caduceus, but, 1 bo lol,
and btw i see hammers using spirit shields, i dont really welcome it, but it might be ok for pure hammer.

ah and yes, verdungo ofc,


So what i was wondering. I was thinking about getting some other good/better smiter weapon that is also good for hammerdin. And i still dont know, thinking. I will make a Beast in caduseus with skills to hammer for fana and see how it works compared to grief.

The concerns i have Grief is best for smite but doesnt give anything to hammer. It might be ok, to put those 10 skills i have put to holy shield back to blessed aim and use grief. The that both are good. But the thing also is. If i use anything else then silence in hand i get low res. So is it time to get some life res small charms. Or any other ideas? And definately dont tell me about coa because coa is for zealer. And not for a 30 percent cater char. The other 60 perfent is smiter. But even smiter dont use phys dmg so that str put to equip coa would be used elswere atleast.

Thanks in advance,

Sincerely yourss,
Nikolai

Ah and yes using 2 pala 20 fcr amu also decreases my res. Isnnt it better idea to keep current setup? Oh, i guess ill have to get some really nice ring and amu with res otherwise.

Why on earth would you use silence PB..?

ias
skills
res
fhr
mf
style
old scool
what else do i need

tell me what else can i use? and hoto is slow smite speed.

p.s.
it looks to me like a compromise between hoto hammerdin weapon and grief smiter weapon. i used it on smiter before grief existed also.

If this is for ubers, grief is superior in so many ways, 75 FCR is enough for pvm, and if this is an all around pvm char, 75 is still enough, although you'd prolly wanna go 125 fcr hoto, with grief/exile stashed for ubers.

My pvp hdin can easily solo ubers just by equipping grief and exile.

Helm: CoA (BER + Jewel)
Armor: Enigma
Shield: Spirit ST
Weapon: Grief PB
Belt: Dungos
Ring 1: Raven
Ring 2: Fcr, stat, life
Ammy: +Skill, fcr, life, resis
Gloves: Trang
Boots: WW
Swap Weapon: CTA
Swap Shield: Random BO spirit

Inventory: 9x pcomb lifers, 10x life/resis scs, torch, anni

Max: Blessed Hammer, Blessed Aim, Concentration, Vigor
1 pt wonder: Fanactism, Holy Shield
Remaining skill points: Smite

BP: 75 fcr, 86 fhr 46 dr, stacked resis

Note: Smite and hammer with grief (You'll still have 10k+ damage with hammers which is enough), you can still get by with 75 fcr when using blessed hammer. You're not a pure smiter so don't worry if your smite damage isn't up to par. It will still deal enough damage.

E: Oops just noticed this is for pvm and not pvp. Well you can still use the same gear and tweak it around a bit.

This post was edited by wats_gud2 on Aug 24 2011 12:33pm

you can solo ubers with 1 point in smite and no + skills gear so imo i would just gear for Reg hammerdin and keep smiter gear in stash, as far as weapon, you want something with Crushing blow- if you dont want to use grief, that leaves several options. also Lifetap is a must. If your wanting a good smiter and a good hammerdin make 2 different characters.

TO clarify some things

1 THis character is sixty percent pvm and thirty percent pvp. Or maybe even fifty fifty sometimes.
2 THis character is sixty percent smiter and thirty percent hammer. Monsters dont need that much dmg as players ;) And im not feeling like dueling with hemmer. And also i will not duel so much different chars postly palas i think.
3 im opting to dont have to swap all the time for this and for that but build one all around char. Even when i will have to make sacrifices in dmg or something. Well ill make a grief to play around with and Beast in caduceus with hammer skills but as fast as i decide to keep one of them i sell the other for some rune or some skiller life or whatever i need. Because this is the only char i have and i will not, or am seriosely not planning to make mules for different trash. So this char must only use the things he really use.
4 life tap is a must indeed. so there is no other option then exile.
5 and the last thing, i tend to think about it as the last thing, but i will try to not forget, is cb ow ds etc.
6 imm pretty sure this items i will not change because theres nothing that can compare to it.
eni mp, shako ber, exile, dungom

glowes - depends on the amu, if mara then trangs, if 2 pala 20 fcr stat res, then bloodfists or crafted with ias and stat res and most interesting cb suggested here maybe.
boots depends on 10 fcr ring stats res, - it would be nice to combine something like this http://i55.tinypic.com/344qupt.png with alurs boot for example. Only the guy is asking not serious offer for it. Althou i pretty like waterwalks. But still i realised that it would be nice to have something with not only stats but also res and fhr.

The main quiestion for me stays the weapon. Like one Vanquisher player said, ur build depends on ur weapon. And res, but i think it can be solved with some all res small charms.

Thanks in advance,
Sincerely yours,
Nikolai

hi agane,

so here we go, after thinking about it for a view days i decided,

1 i made a grief 396 yesturday, pb ofc
2 maybe i will keep grief in the stash for occasional smiter duel and keep using silence as all around weapon, for hammer time and smite time, mostly for hammer, this also makes it easier for me about resists, if i remove mara
3 after re reading the weapon part of the vanquisher guide i linked to above, i remembered why i wanted bloodfists, because i didnt knew it anymore, i knew i needed them but i forgot why, so now i only have to get the 2 pala 20 fcr amu wiith res and even better with stats to, thisway i reacht 25 ias for 7 frame smite and some additional fhr is also nice.

For a pvp vanquisher, the only realistic choice is grief, silence is just retarded.

IMO go 90% hammer 10% smite, or 80/20, since hammer needs an absurd amount of skill points to get damage (dont go any lower than 9k IMO), and grief already adds massive damage to smite.