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May 27 2019 06:06pm
Quote (Chainsaw47 @ May 27 2019 04:49pm)
I’m not talking about making 2 characters, I’m saying you can have Grief in your stash as a Hammerdin and achieve the same result. Being at 80% efficiency for 99% of the game (i.e. when you need to use B.H.) isn’t "good", you’re just putting a handicap on a great build.
Where in the game do you need to use both B.H. and Smite in such a short interval that going back to your stash is an issue?


i personally dont like to swap gears in stash and im sure there are many others out there like me, and just using normal hammerdin build won't give u fanta

it's a personal preference and im not into min/maxing - this is an ancient game, and i just want to go kill stuff and have fun and be DIFFERENT than everyone else who are all same cookie-cutters
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May 27 2019 06:10pm
Quote (gl2u81 @ May 27 2019 08:06pm)
i personally dont like to swap gears in stash and im sure there are many others out there like me, and just using normal hammerdin build won't give u fanta

it's a personal preference and im not into min/maxing - this is an ancient game, and i just want to go kill stuff and have fun and be DIFFERENT than everyone else who are all same cookie-cutters


Fanaticism is a 1pt investment. Your build isn’t different if you end up using B.H. 99% of the time because Smite is terrible PvM skill outside of bosses, it’s just a slower Hammerdin.
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May 27 2019 06:14pm
Quote (Chainsaw47 @ May 27 2019 05:10pm)
Fanaticism is a 1pt investment. Your build isn’t different if you end up using B.H. 99% of the time because Smite is terrible PvM skill outside of bosses, it’s just a slower Hammerdin.


yeah it's just 1 more pt from standard hammerdin but ppl don't do because ppl dont think to do this hybrid and try to finish off the Shield.

This IS a fusion of both, so the core of both are kept and the itemization is also mix of both.

Yes, smite is really boss only ability, but the fact that I have the viability to go kill stuff in full room hell w/o any concern and turn around and go do Uber/Dclone in the same room and not have any concern is appealing to me

sure, u can log off and switch to smiter to do smiter stuff and log off to switch to hammerdin, and i USED to do this but this fusion lures me more and is more fun for me
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May 27 2019 06:16pm
Quote (gl2u81 @ May 27 2019 08:14pm)
yeah it's just 1 more pt from standard hammerdin but ppl don't do because ppl dont think to do this hybrid and try to finish off the Shield.

This IS a fusion of both, so the core of both are kept and the itemization is also mix of both.

Yes, smite is really boss only ability, but the fact that I have the viability to go kill stuff in full room hell w/o any concern and turn around and go do Uber/Dclone in the same room and not have any concern is appealing to me

sure, u can log off and switch to smiter to do smiter stuff and log off to switch to hammerdin, and i USED to do this but this fusion lures me more and is more fun for me



You don’t read, do you? I never once said that you need 2 characters.
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May 27 2019 11:08pm
In defense of this build, it is more or less what you want from a regular Hammerdin build once it's done the stash switch.

Last Wish + Gores isn't a bad 2 piece switch. When you do the comparison, Grief kills the Ubers about 1.5 seconds faster than LW which isn't a huge amount (although I guess it depends on how frequently you run them).

The tradeoff is that it's a 2 piece switch. Grief doesn't have provide the survivability, crushing blow or open wounds that you need to do Ubers - it's raw damage. So a Grief switch takes up 3 inventory spaces eg. (Grief PB + Dracs + Guillaume's Face) just as an example. The exception would be a hybrid Grief of Beast which adds CB and OW - in which case you only need either Dracs or The Rising Sun.

So basically - the build is fine - just add a switch in the stash for regular hammerdin: Spirit + 2pala/3hammer/3conc/10fcr/2os + 2x 17MF/3MAEK/9Dex Jools - oh and you won't need your 10fcr Ring so you can switch that out for a SoJ - and switch the Raven out for a SoJ too - just Cham your HoZ. ez

This post was edited by draftw3dr on May 27 2019 11:20pm
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Quote (gl2u81 @ May 27 2019 06:33pm)
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Helm - 2/20FCR/Mod Paladin Helm + 15/15 IAS/@ jewel. IAS jewel is important for IAS on Smiter side. - Cham
Neck - 2/20FCR/Mod Paladin Neck. 20FCR is a must and others are flexible.
Body - Enigma. Choose the armor you want for the look and str requirement - this is aesthetic pleasure that I think matters
Belt - Arach
Glove - Magefist/Trang.
Ring - FCR ring. Try to get as much stat as possible but it's up to you. Try to find same GFX as your other ring for aesthetic purposes.
Ring - Raven. I always try to get other ring first, and find a Raven that fits the GFX. - soj
Boot - Gore. Don't up it since it will increase the requirement.

Weapon1 - Lastwish PB. PB is fast and with IAS from helm + Fanta, you will hit your max IAS. - 5ber ias jewel pb or 4ber um ias jewel pb and replace gore with something more useful
Shield2 - Exile or Herald. This is up to you, but if you will get Exile, go for ST or Royal Shield and keep in mind Herald has Str/Vit so this will affect how you itemize.

Weapon2 - CTA with Concentration/BH. I have 5/6/x War Scepter with 3conc/3BH.
Shield2 - Paladin Spirit. Get 35FCR min.

5/6/x War Scepter with 3conc/3BH.
Shield2 - Paladin Spirit. Get 35FCR min.

Anni - up to you. Try to get the highest.
Torch - up to you. Try to get the highest.

GC - i have 8 x Pcomb 30+ lifers MATCHING set. Aesthetic look does make it feel better
SC - 9 x 5@ 2str or 2dex SC. Try to get all MATCHING.
I always carry a Cube to pick up stuff, so 8 GC + 9 SC + Anni + Torch is full inventory. I put scroll of ID and TP on potion 3/4 slots.


Merc
Insight - I use 17med ECV for MP on Hammerdin side. - eth reaper's toll - for faster baal killing and for killing a2 minions. Reaper's toll is good for ubers also because it kills so fast, you don't need lifetap
Ebug Fort - Whatever fits your budget
Andy - Ral'd or 15/2x IAS/FR jewel



Baal should be dead faster than with a regular hdin. How much does the cta/amulet cost?
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May 30 2019 12:50am
Quote (thing @ May 29 2019 09:41am)
Baal should be dead faster than with a regular hdin. How much does the cta/amulet cost?

You wouldn't even get that amu/circlet/CtA in a ladder season so it's pretty pointless.

It needs perfect gear to work in an inferior way to a proper Hammerdin with an item swap. Keep in mind you play it as a Hammerdin 99% of the time.

If he used CtA on swap, stashed the Last Wish and used Hoto, he could use Shako and some other swaps and have a proper MF Hammerdin. You also don't need Gore Riders so that's a wasted slot.

This post was edited by piatek on May 30 2019 12:56am
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May 30 2019 02:39pm
The only use for it is if it could kill baal faster than a regular hdin resulting in slightly faster baal runs, which is possible with rt decrep and 100% cb. In some ways it could get similar mf to an actual mf din because cta has ist and the build uses a rare ring so if I were to spend even more on the items that would add up to about the same as shako, but I am not sure if the point of the build was mfing stuff at all.

Pvm appears to be the end itself over here on this realm, not the means to an end (mf).
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