and by pvp i mean random pub games vs all types of characters.

Yes they are very powerful till you get sorbed.
Then they are useless
In most pub games you will get sorbed

No. In high end (dueling actual good people) duels using GM rules they are terrible, having only one favorable matchup, and that's only if you can legit fc. They have disadvantages against all major pvp builds, their only good match is vs bowzon, and if they can't legit fc they lose that match as well.

In pubs they're ok for surprise kills until people oversorb you.

they're pretty shit

though I have this feeling that they can be op with weapon swap trick (not wsg), but I've never tried it out extensively.

This post was edited by Tails chao on Dec 9 2012 09:28pm

o well almost done leveling mine have all the gear, guess I'll find out after a few duels

What is weapon swap trick? ^^ I may know of it but as a different name or something hehe.

btw, in case you were wondering what the weapon switch thing is, it's this:

1. put throw or lf on left click.
2. swap weapons
3. swap weapons again and press the hotkey for cs.
4. if you did it right, enjoy having retarded easy mode legit fc by shift clicking people.

this works until you swap weapons or die.

edit: oh I missed your post james, but ya this is it. >.> you can basically just teleport around and hold a namelock on people with a high dmg skill that'll hit as if it's mindblast, sounds good on paper but idk what it's like in application.

This post was edited by Tails chao on Dec 9 2012 09:53pm

ooh sounds interesting, wonder how it would hold up in serious competition.

Yeah I want to test this too, but I think Dudu will still pwn.

actually just tried it lol, didnt even think of doing this with cs for some reason.

works insanely well, easy to visually see if your skill bugged (youll appear to be throwning javs but wont be losing an javs) and all you have to do is click / nl ppl for rapid fire fcing

only prob is you gotta rebug every time you bo, or if u need to wsg (which is needed on a zon) and it can sometimes be ahrd to rebug the skill, esp if your in a life/death situation

/e was thinking possibly a lld cs/fcer with possible psn jav hybrid

This post was edited by legen on Dec 9 2012 11:41pm