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Apr 13 2012 11:04am
Quote (Jeebus666 @ Apr 13 2012 12:43pm)
With rules like those I dont think its so hard to exploit them lol^^

Wisp + Lo = BM on those rules, so your setup of forti + wisp vs trappers is BM on that ladder.

Medi allowed too, so hammers can just rep to full offscreen as well as take grief vs ama :)


Quote (Voyaging @ Apr 13 2012 12:32pm)
I thought it was too but I searched for Holy Freeze and Doom and couldn't find mention of either:

http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=54454490&f=147



Initial World Ladder rules were seriously botched when the initial OP wrote their version of popular East NL ruling for that thread
Everyone always agrees on East NL that HF is BM vs IAS, Tsun (who is now mandi) just forgot to write this rule in when quickly devising that ruleset, along with a few other defining things
And the OP D2PvP rules are for Team vs Team, not 1v1 - The link presented in the current ladder updates is for a discussion thread space, not to replace the current rules
But I'm glad this has been pointed as I can see why this would be confusing
We'll have to clean it up

Here are the popular East NL rules, couple different renditions of them:

http://forums.d2jsp.org/user.php?i=275356
http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g420/Habakkuk222/HabakkuksD2GMRules-1-1-1.png



Things are beginning to change now that East Ladder players are beginning to retire into East NL
Shit like life tap and amp damage is unfavorable to most at this point, along with things like holy freeze
As well as the favorable rule of *not being allowed to stack pots and arrows*

Rulesets are merging due to the communities merging
World Ladder will more than likely flatten this out, given time

This post was edited by Habakkuk22 on Apr 13 2012 11:06am
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Apr 13 2012 11:10am
Quote (Habakkuk22 @ Apr 13 2012 01:04pm)
Initial World Ladder rules were seriously botched when the initial OP wrote their version of popular East NL ruling for that thread
Everyone always agrees on East NL that HF is BM vs IAS, Tsun (who is now mandi) just forgot to write this rule in when quickly devising that ruleset, along with a few other defining things
And the OP D2PvP rules are for Team vs Team, not 1v1 - The link presented in the current ladder updates is for a discussion thread space, not to replace the current rules
But I'm glad this has been pointed as I can see why this would be confusing
We'll have to clean it up

Here are the popular East NL rules, couple different renditions of them:

http://forums.d2jsp.org/user.php?i=275356
http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g420/Habakkuk222/HabakkuksD2GMRules-1-1-1.png



Things are beginning to change now that East Ladder players are beginning to retire into East NL
Shit like life tap and amp damage is unfavorable to most at this point, along with things like holy freeze
As well as the favorable rule of *not being allowed to stack pots and arrows*

Rulesets are merging due to the communities merging
World Ladder will more than likely flatten this out, given time


Thanks for the link.

THE NO'S SECTION:

- No use of Life tap.


So there goes using Dracs.
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Apr 13 2012 11:15am
Quote (Voyaging @ Apr 13 2012 01:10pm)
Thanks for the link.

THE NO'S SECTION:

- No use of Life tap.


So there goes using Dracs.


Yup, which is why they aren't mentioned in this guide

But you should use them if you're dueling someone that believes they are GM

And there are a lot of oldschoolers on East NL who do

It just amounts down to where/who and in what ladder/tourney you're dueling in

And knowing how to use the rules to your advantage

This post was edited by Habakkuk22 on Apr 13 2012 11:16am
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Apr 13 2012 11:18am
Quote (Habakkuk22 @ Apr 13 2012 06:15pm)
Yup, which is why they aren't mentioned in this guide

But you should use them if you're dueling someone that believes they are GM

And there are a lot of oldschoolers on East NL who do


But..

Quote (Habakkuk22 @ Apr 13 2012 04:03pm)
The guy in that video is certainly priding but he isn't being dirty about it
The East NL duelers will use any lowball exploitation of GM Rulesets possible, to gain the upper hand
This is why my guide is all about gear swapping


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Apr 13 2012 11:21am
Quote (Jeebus666 @ Apr 13 2012 01:18pm)
But..


Exactly
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Apr 13 2012 11:23am
Quote (Habakkuk22 @ Apr 13 2012 06:21pm)
Exactly


So then, your awesome dracs setup works on noone, as they are lowball enough to see that your bm'ing?
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Apr 13 2012 11:27am
Quote (Jeebus666 @ Apr 13 2012 01:23pm)
So then, your awesome dracs setup works on noone, as they are lowball enough to see that your bm'ing?


I would say yes
I don't normally use them because I try to discourage the use of items that proc curses all together

But right now, World Ladder rules tap as legal so......
Use them
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Apr 13 2012 11:30am
Quote (Habakkuk22 @ Apr 13 2012 06:27pm)
I would say yes
I don't normally use them because I try to discourage the use of items that proc curses all together

But right now, World Ladder rules tap as legal so......
Use them


But World Ladder rules also count Lo + Wisp as bm and yet you use it?

You cant just take bits from different rule-sets that suit you.
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Apr 13 2012 11:34am
Quote (Habakkuk22 @ Apr 13 2012 01:27pm)
I would say yes
I don't normally use them because I try to discourage the use of items that proc curses all together

But right now, World Ladder rules tap as legal so......
Use them


And also allowed Doom :P

So how do you beat BvA without dracs?
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Apr 13 2012 11:38am
Quote (Jeebus666 @ Apr 13 2012 01:30pm)
But World Ladder rules also count Lo + Wisp as bm and yet you use it?

You cant just take bits from different rule-sets that suit you.


Already told you, Tsun made mistakes on that post
She didn't read previous existing rulesets before making the thread

On East NL and Ladder alike it has always been:

* one piece of +max res and one piece of absorb is allowed
This is the 80/20 rule you hear people talk about
Fort + Wisp is 80/20


And BvA is easy to beat even withought Drac's
You guys need to show up with a BvA or find something different to argue me on
Go make a discussion thread called *Can Habakkuk's Zon beat Barbarians with Shields*
And see the results you'll get from East NL players

I'm not joking, give it a shot

This post was edited by Habakkuk22 on Apr 13 2012 11:39am
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