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Sep 3 2009 05:37am
Quote (tudey @ Thu, Sep 3 2009, 05:35am)
Okey :)

This must be true then, afk remaking assa :)

Thanks for opening my eyes :)


Yup. Has anyone done many tests?
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A third argument used to be that a high level mind blast would cause your Shadow Master to cast it more often. However, after a series of tests I have been unable to find any relation at all between the level and the frequency of which the Shadow Master uses the skill in question. If you have any extra thoughts, arguments or findings on this matter, don't hesitate to contact me.
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Sep 3 2009 05:55am
it should be noted that there have been tests and that while the difference between lvl1 and lets say level 10 mindblast was not huge (or even noticable?), the gap between lvl1 and MAX mindlbast is clearly visible for anyone who plays the sin for longer than 5 minutes, really.

i have played sins over years and i know that a maxed mindblast sin will have a shadow that blasts undeniably much more often than a sm with base mb. i cant give any exact numbers and probabilities but i can tell you from hundreds of hours of dueling with assassins that it is a huge difference.
and on a sidenote pretty much every player who has played different sins extensively can tell you the same.


but if you dont think so just use a different build. i couldnt care less
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Sep 3 2009 06:05am
I'll test it properly in about an hour but from rough tests I've done before I've noted an extreme difference.
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Sep 3 2009 06:15am
Quote (Tails chao @ Thu, Sep 3 2009, 06:05am)
I'll test it properly in about an hour but from rough tests I've done before I've noted an extreme difference.


Ty, keep in mind that other factors, such as shadow level and skill distribution (excluding 19 more mb points) should remain constant.
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Quote (KillersDream @ Thu, 3 Sep 2009, 13:20)
Having maxed mindblast is overrated in this matchup imo, partially due to the fact that bone armor eats it up. The increased duration is nice, but not a huge necessity imo.
Hi m8 :)
Fuck off and go back to Trophy Room faggot.
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Quote (franek @ Thu, Sep 3 2009, 06:16am)
Hi m8 :)
Fuck off and go back to Trophy Room faggot.
See you:Franek

I've seen nothing in the code to suggest that a shadow master factors in the number of hard points when determining skill frequency. Certain spells are given bonuses that influence frequency, but from what I saw, skill level didn't matter. To be fair, I didn't delve to deeply into the code. I also, however, have not witnessed a notable difference during gameplay. There are a number of commonly believed things that aren't actually true (such as an offhand fools claw not getting an AR bonus).

Btw, do yourself a favor and go fuck yourself.
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Sep 3 2009 08:08am
Tested it, I can quite easily confirm now that max MB drastically effects the frequency of use.

Level 1 mb vs Level 20 mb "shadow master spam" frequency test

Both tests are done on vs. same character, with +16 shadow disciplines, this is using a standard 102 fcr c/c build with sdancers and 2/3/2s

Level 20 mb

1st result: 26 uses per minute
2nd result: 20 uses per minute
3rd result: 26 uses per minute
4th result: 28 uses per minute
5th result: 25 uses per minute

Average: 25 uses per minute

Level 1 mb

1st result: 5 uses per minute
2nd result: 3 uses per minute
3rd result: 2 uses per minute
4th result: 2 uses per minute
5th result: 4 uses per minute

Average: 3.2 uses per minute

Things to note:

This was not tested under PvP situations since that would introduce an endless amount of factors, due to this the numbers may seem different to what you are used to.. Instead, both tests were tested from a stationary character just over 1 screen away at the same teleport frequency.

Max MB frequency MB'd several times in a row, ranging even up to 6 times in a row! Level 1 mb had a pathetic maximum of 2 uses in a row (this happened once).

This post was edited by Tails chao on Sep 3 2009 08:08am
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Quote (Tails chao @ Thu, Sep 3 2009, 02:08pm)
Tested it, I can quite easily confirm now that max MB drastically effects the frequency of use.

Level 1 mb vs Level 20 mb "shadow master spam" frequency test

Both tests are done on vs. same character, with +16 shadow disciplines, this is using a standard 102 fcr c/c build with sdancers and 2/3/2s

Level 20 mb

1st result: 26 uses per minute
2nd result: 20 uses per minute
3rd result: 26 uses per minute
4th result: 28 uses per minute
5th result: 25 uses per minute

Average: 25 uses per minute

Level 1 mb

1st result: 5 uses per minute
2nd result: 3 uses per minute
3rd result: 2 uses per minute
4th result: 2 uses per minute
5th result: 4 uses per minute

Average: 3.2 uses per minute

Things to note:

This was not tested under PvP situations since that would introduce an endless amount of factors, due to this the numbers may seem different to what you are used to.. Instead, both tests were tested from a stationary character just over 1 screen away at the same teleport frequency.

Max MB frequency MB'd several times in a row, ranging even up to 6 times in a row! Level 1 mb had a pathetic maximum of 2 uses in a row (this happened once).


wow. someone actually took the time to back up their statements even when they knew they were 100% right to begin with.
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wow. someone actually took the time to back up their statements even when they knew they were 100% right to begin with.


Means I have proof if I need it later. (Y)
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Sep 3 2009 08:14am
Quote (Tails chao @ Thu, Sep 3 2009, 02:11pm)
Means I have proof if I need it later. (Y)


very sexy. I will put this in my profile + give you credits ^^ so everyone can see and stop stating dumb shit
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