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Jun 18 2013 01:11pm
Quote (CraZeeY @ Jun 18 2013 11:04am)
Dude, do you seriously think nb necs wants you to be able to jump them? Of course they play defensive...


Wait... What??

I don't even know what you are replying to...

Point is, non block necs, who pride themselves on being non block, have shitty dueling styles for most part, and run 99% of time

I'm not saying mb necs should stand in a place etc and spam,

But they do have more room for error, and tend to stay closer, than their non block counterparts..

Furthermore, all of you defending non block necs, please play a decent BvC..

Seriously, or lmk gn, and enjoy getting 1zerked every duel..

1x ww = dead
1 or 2 zerks = dead
Wind blows = dead

This post was edited by AndreaOvna on Jun 18 2013 01:12pm
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Jun 18 2013 01:15pm
Quote (AndreaOvna @ Jun 18 2013 03:11pm)
Wait... What??

I don't even know what you are replying to...

Point is, non block necs, who pride themselves on being non block, have shitty dueling styles for most part, and run 99% of time

I'm not saying mb necs should stand in a place etc and spam, but it's more of a real duel..

Furthermore, all of you defending non block necs, please play a decent melee char..

Seriously, or lmk gn, and enjoy getting 1zerked every duel..

1x ww = dead
1 or 2 zerks = dead
Wind blows = dead


MB honestly isn't needed.

You can get to 60% using SS (eld'd) with dex life fcr rings, 2/20/dex/life ammy, 2/20/dex/life circ

You can just walk away from their ww and spirit them.
Bone armor stops a decent amount of the damage if they nick you.

Barb was my main.

Never had a problem beating good Necromancers (non block or block).
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Jun 18 2013 01:26pm
Quote (AndreaOvna @ Jun 18 2013 08:11pm)
Wait... What??

I don't even know what you are replying to...

Point is, non block necs, who pride themselves on being non block, have shitty dueling styles for most part, and run 99% of time

I'm not saying mb necs should stand in a place etc and spam,

But they do have more room for error, and tend to stay closer, than their non block counterparts..

Furthermore, all of you defending non block necs, please play a decent BvC..

Seriously, or lmk gn, and enjoy getting 1zerked every duel..

1x ww = dead
1 or 2 zerks = dead
Wind blows = dead


thing is, you complain about a non-blocking character plays defensive vs a physical char with great fcr frames.. It's like complaining about amas who wsg away from most of their opponents. It's the fucking nature of the char, if you played a non-block nec would you jump the bvc all the time or play really offensive? No you wouldn't because that's being a fucking retard.

I agree about mb necs having more room for errors and that's why most people say that "only people with no skeellls play mb necuuur".

I've played versus many decent and some really good bvc's, I ain't good, hell I'm barely decent on nec but it tends to be quite even matches. I have never, EVER, been 1-hitted with zerk vs any barb on my nec because I use something called bone armor (wooooow) and it's quite effective. Never been killed by one ww either for that matter.
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Jun 18 2013 01:30pm
Quote (CraZeeY @ 18 Jun 2013 20:26)
thing is, you complain about a non-blocking character plays defensive vs a physical char with great fcr frames.. It's like complaining about amas who wsg away from most of their opponents. It's the fucking nature of the char, if you played a non-block nec would you jump the bvc all the time or play really offensive? No you wouldn't because that's being a fucking retard.

I agree about mb necs having more room for errors and that's why most people say that "only people with no skeellls play mb necuuur".

I've played versus many decent and some really good bvc's, I ain't good, hell I'm barely decent on nec but it tends to be quite even matches. I have never, EVER, been 1-hitted with zerk vs any barb on my nec because I use something called bone armor (wooooow) and it's quite effective. Never been killed by one ww either for that matter.


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Jun 18 2013 01:33pm
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Quote (CraZeeY @ 18 Jun 2013 22:26)
thing is, you complain about a non-blocking character plays defensive vs a physical char with great fcr frames.. It's like complaining about amas who wsg away from most of their opponents. It's the fucking nature of the char, if you played a non-block nec would you jump the bvc all the time or play really offensive? No you wouldn't because that's being a fucking retard.

I agree about mb necs having more room for errors and that's why most people say that "only people with no skeellls play mb necuuur".

I've played versus many decent and some really good bvc's, I ain't good, hell I'm barely decent on nec but it tends to be quite even matches. I have never, EVER, been 1-hitted with zerk vs any barb on my nec because I use something called bone armor (wooooow) and it's quite effective. Never been killed by one ww either for that matter.


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Jun 18 2013 02:58pm
imo:

Nb nec >> Barb on East

With No oak on barb + prison being gm, just don't really see this matchup being even.

On europe with oak on barb, I'd say its kinna even.. ping on barb makes a huge difference though.. a very good 63 fcr oak barb with eud2pk ping is a pain, and block would be useful vs these although I think the matchup can be "doable" with vita.
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Jun 18 2013 07:39pm
Quote (CraZeeY @ Jun 18 2013 11:26am)
thing is, you complain about a non-blocking character plays defensive vs a physical char with great fcr frames.. It's like complaining about amas who wsg away from most of their opponents. It's the fucking nature of the char, if you played a non-block nec would you jump the bvc all the time or play really offensive? No you wouldn't because that's being a fucking retard.

I agree about mb necs having more room for errors and that's why most people say that "only people with no skeellls play mb necuuur".

I've played versus many decent and some really good bvc's, I ain't good, hell I'm barely decent on nec but it tends to be quite even matches. I have never, EVER, been 1-hitted with zerk vs any barb on my nec because I use something called bone armor (wooooow) and it's quite effective. Never been killed by one ww either for that matter.


Ok, my lasts posts were a bit abrasive, and in some respects I agree with you..

However,

First things first, BONE ARMOR DOES NOT reduce dmg of zerk, zerk goes right through it.. People can vouch this.
Second issue, i'm not saying they should be less l8z, I am simply saying, that the philosophy of non blocks being better, is based more upon their style than actual char, and that style on occasion can be overly l8z
And as far as necs dying easily, They can do excellent defensive maneuvers, like using bone armor, stacking w/ golem, bone prison etc etc, the point i'm making is, once it drops, if a barb can make a clean sweep w/ ww it should be almost 1 whirl, maybe 2.

BLOCK Necs have issues like block lock etc..

Quote (straightedgerevenge @ Jun 18 2013 11:15am)
MB honestly isn't needed.

You can get to 60% using SS (eld'd) with dex life fcr rings, 2/20/dex/life ammy, 2/20/dex/life circ

You can just walk away from their ww and spirit them.
Bone armor stops a decent amount of the damage if they nick you.

Barb was my main.

Never had a problem beating good Necromancers (non block or block).


And yeah, this is true, a block setup like that, will get the job done :)
However, personally i'd try to do with a raven so not frozen :D :D

Quote (Jeebus666 @ Jun 18 2013 12:58pm)
imo:

Nb nec >> Barb on East

With No oak on barb + prison being gm, just don't really see this matchup being even.

On europe with oak on barb, I'd say its kinna even.. ping on barb makes a huge difference though.. a very good 63 fcr oak barb with eud2pk ping is a pain, and block would be useful vs these although I think the matchup  can be "doable" with vita.


Matchup wise, with block or non block, it's doable for either char, either way,

Just as far as Skill goes, imo ability to stay somewhat onscreen, lock w/ spirits/spear, while prisoning is 10x more fun than, l8z ibs spamming, and hiding in old prisons,

Just my opinion :D
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Jun 18 2013 07:43pm
Quote (AndreaOvna @ Jun 18 2013 09:39pm)
Ok, my lasts posts were a bit abrasive, and in some respects I agree with you..

However,

First things first, BONE ARMOR DOES NOT reduce dmg of zerk, zerk goes right through it.. People can vouch this.
Second issue, i'm not saying they should be less l8z, I am simply saying, that the philosophy of non blocks being better, is based more upon their style than actual char, and that style on occasion can be overly l8z
And as far as necs dying easily, They can do excellent defensive maneuvers, like using bone armor, stacking w/ golem, bone prison etc etc, the point i'm making is, once it drops, if a barb can make a clean sweep w/ ww it should be almost 1 whirl, maybe 2.

BLOCK Necs have issues like block lock etc..



And yeah, this is true, a block setup like that, will get the job done :)
However, personally i'd try to do with a raven so not frozen :D :D



Matchup wise, with block or non block, it's doable for either char, either way,

Just as far as Skill goes, imo ability to stay somewhat onscreen, lock w/ spirits/spear, while prisoning is 10x more fun than, l8z ibs spamming, and hiding in old prisons,

Just my opinion :D


Tactics may be different....

But do what you must do to win.
No shame in l8zing/boxing, it's a strategy.

If you don't want to chase, don't.
if they are a l8zer just ask for no mana pool and they'll run out of mana.
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Jun 18 2013 11:53pm
Quote (AndreaOvna @ Jun 19 2013 02:39am)
Ok, my lasts posts were a bit abrasive, and in some respects I agree with you..

However,

First things first, BONE ARMOR DOES NOT reduce dmg of zerk, zerk goes right through it.. People can vouch this.
Second issue, i'm not saying they should be less l8z, I am simply saying, that the philosophy of non blocks being better, is based more upon their style than actual char, and that style on occasion can be overly l8z
And as far as necs dying easily, They can do excellent defensive maneuvers, like using bone armor, stacking w/ golem, bone prison etc etc, the point i'm making is, once it drops, if a barb can make a clean sweep w/ ww it should be almost 1 whirl, maybe 2.

BLOCK Necs have issues like block lock etc..



And yeah, this is true, a block setup like that, will get the job done :)
However, personally i'd try to do with a raven so not frozen :D :D



Matchup wise, with block or non block, it's doable for either char, either way,

Just as far as Skill goes, imo ability to stay somewhat onscreen, lock w/ spirits/spear, while prisoning is 10x more fun than, l8z ibs spamming, and hiding in old prisons,

Just my opinion :D


I was fucking joking lol, damn you're uptight.

I agree with you stay staying offscreen the entire duel to spam ibs trains and tele in them etc is lame/boring but it does not phase me because it's the nature of the char.

Non-block builds generally do better than mb necs in a versus all aspect, not talking about 1v7.
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