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Sep 10 2011 11:30am
Quote (Habakkuk22 @ 10 Sep 2011 17:02)
This is all wrong anyway


In PvM, use Faith on your Amazon
with an act 2 offensive (might) mercinary from nightmare dif
and make it wear a pride polearm for (concentration)

The merc is important as a subsequant damage dealer for killing big shit in PvM

When Diablo comes out in 8 player Hell and you're by yourself trying to get good xp
You'll be standing there forever smacking him around with a rogue merc at your side


and this shit I keep seeing about WF + Rogue Merc makes me sick
WF = bad minimum damage which in turn = bad average damage, the high max on WF is deceiving. Very deceiving
WF = slow slow slow slow, even with fanat aura effecting you, you'll still fire 2 arrows to the 3 that a GMB Faith would fire
WF = bad AR, 1/6 shots will miss with a WF on top of it's slower IAS. Faith bows with +300% AR do not miss monsters in PvM

Case and Scenario = Faith Bows are reliable damage and due to the superior speed, do inflict just as much damage as a WF
the real bonus you're getting out of using Faith in PvM is that you still get to use a mercinary who can deal damage
as well as walk up front and help your valkyrie tank. This is very important if you are running a bot that you don't want to die


Quote (TheBe @ 10 Sep 2011 18:46)
Wow you are completely clueless :rofl: You are saying that faith deals more dmg and is faster than wf?  :rofl: :thumbsup:

Ok, lets see:

330% ed faith gmb: 60-309 (184.5 avg) damage.
Wf with 40% ed jewel @ level 90: 39-546 (292.5 avg) damage.

Wf deals a shitloads more damage! And WF has things like KB which allows you to use LOH gloves instead of kb ones = more damage and res.


Wow this is just retarded.

With faith gmb (level 14 aura) you need 92% ias to hit 7 fpa.

With WF (socketed 15% ias jewel) and faith merc you need 92% ias to hit 7 fpa. Since wf has 35% base ias you only need 60% from gear instead of 92, which makes a HUGE difference. You can use atma's amulet with wf, for example and that adds lots of damage if you are using strafe alot (you can also use things like razortail = lots of mroe dmg).
How is your faith faster?


you really are an idiot if you have so low ar on a physical damage bowazon. With full dext, fana, penetrate, damage charms etc you shouldn't have to worry about your ar.

Play the game yourself and you might learn the very basics.


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Sep 10 2011 11:40am
Great Bow has the best overall damage and speed.
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Sep 10 2011 11:50am
Why are we discussing pvm issues?

My necro with rares is doing chaos runs currently with tele charges ammy.Just drop all these useless calculations please
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Sep 10 2011 11:53am
Quote (smackme @ Sep 10 2011 12:30pm)
served.


yup.

Thats twice within the last couple days sng schooled that bot using lamer. Both times he completely failed on his viewpoint/setups with respect to amazons. He takes strong positions on stuff, berates those who differs, and then hides/runs to another thread when the actual facts and numbers get posted. Its one thing to prefer a certain setup and suggest it, thats preference. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Nobody is entitled to their own facts. You cant make unsubstantiated grandiose claims about something that's already been demonstrated to be true.


LOL.
http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=48647218&f=87&o=950

even godest knows whats up.


Quote (Godest @ Sep 8 2011 06:36pm)
Habakkuk22 is meni smarth lololololol





Because most people want to kill quickly and effectively on a character thats balanced.

Yeah you can beat the game naked, but who wants to spend an hour on a pack of fallens?




ps@ thread.

If your making a strafer, Wf + pride might merc is best (vs wf+faith merc or faith + might pride ). It offers thousands of extra damage over a faith merc, offers a frontline tank w/valk, and still has max speed 3fpa strafe. (its 1 frame slower on multi ga)

This post was edited by Master_Zappy on Sep 10 2011 11:59am
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Sep 10 2011 12:43pm
Quote (Master_Zappy @ Sep 10 2011 11:53am)
yup. 

Thats twice within the last couple days sng schooled that bot using lamer. Both times he completely failed on his viewpoint/setups with respect to amazons. He takes strong positions on stuff, berates those who differs, and then hides/runs to another thread when the actual facts and numbers get posted.  Its one thing to prefer a certain setup and suggest it, thats preference. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Nobody is entitled to their own facts. You cant make unsubstantiated grandiose claims about something that's already been demonstrated to be true.


LOL.
http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=48647218&f=87&o=950

even godest knows whats up.







Because most people want to kill quickly and effectively on a character thats balanced.

Yeah you can beat the game naked, but who wants to spend an hour on a pack of fallens?




ps@ thread.

If your making a strafer, Wf + pride might merc is best (vs wf+faith merc or faith + might pride ). It offers thousands of extra damage over a faith merc, offers a frontline tank w/valk, and still has max speed 3fpa strafe. (its 1 frame slower on multi ga)


i thought sng like pacivixxdiablo and atreurocks said pride sucks.Were is the treachery and reapers tool mentality
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Sep 10 2011 12:46pm
Quote (AtreyuRocks @ Sep 9 2011 02:40pm)
Wow idiots on here. Great or blade bow all the way. Fastest wsm period. A1 merc is only used really for auras and ctc procs.


im going with my idiot comment. lol

Hunters bow. :rofl: Cause it doesnt matter what bow you put on her she aint gona be killing for shit.
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Sep 10 2011 12:49pm
Quote (bioshocker @ 10 Sep 2011 18:43)
i thought sng like pacivixxdiablo and atreurocks said pride sucks.Were is the treachery and reapers tool mentality


Pride is ok on certain chars and setups. But most of the time it does suck. Two setups that come to mind are wf strafer and zerk barb that doesn't need fana from act1 merc.

Reapers and treachery are awesome but there are serctain setups where something else can be better. Common sence ftw.
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Sep 10 2011 02:41pm
Quote (bioshocker @ Sep 10 2011 12:43pm)
i thought sng like pacivixxdiablo and atreurocks said pride sucks.Were is the treachery and reapers tool mentality


Because, good sir, you put an atma's ammy on your bowa and you don't need the decrip from reapers. And if you're pure strafe you don't get an ias benefit from a faith merc. Pride still sucks ass tho.
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Sep 10 2011 02:43pm
As I said,ANYTHING WORKS IN PVM.I have a necro with lvl 28 skeletons doing chaos runs on 8 player games happily with tele charges.He does have a kickass obbedience/fort/andys merc tho.

keep relying on your ctc mentality then aswell.Pride>reapers tool -the only ones who use reapers are tools

This post was edited by bioshocker on Sep 10 2011 02:44pm
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Sep 10 2011 03:02pm
Well I'd never use a reaper's on a necro soooo....
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