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Jun 16 2013 03:26pm
its widely known that grief is best one handed weapon in many cases. only high end eth 2os fool's self repair 290+ ed% rare or crafted weapon rival grief which are next to impossible to get.
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Jun 16 2013 03:32pm
Quote (154 @ Jun 16 2013 08:17pm)
lold at all these people, where is the undeniable mathematical proof?

and if you read im not concerned about having greater min/consistent damage and i could care less about what "everyone" uses

open wounds is what does and always will do the effective damages


just saying that grief > edc without proof (like any claim in the real world) makes you look and sound like a fool


as always i will sit down with pen and paper myself and come to my own conclusions


bro u rly dumb
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Jun 16 2013 04:02pm
Quote (154 @ Jun 16 2013 10:17am)
lold at all these people, where is the undeniable mathematical proof?

and if you read im not concerned about having greater min/consistent damage and i could care less about what "everyone" uses

open wounds is what does and always will do the effective damages


just saying that grief > edc without proof (like any claim in the real world) makes you look and sound like a fool


as always i will sit down with pen and paper myself and come to my own conclusions


Have you ever used a barb before?

TsBoyer gave you an explanation, and you decided to get rude w/ my friend so, seriously, i'm jw have you used barb before..

OW...? really?
You think that's how barbs do dmg?
It's about as effective as a psn charm....except vs sorcs

If you are relying upon ow to win your duels, there is something seriously wrong
"open wounds is what does and always will do the effective damages"
No..

Second issue...
The edc, botd, w/e axe or weapon you want to choose, has % ENHANCED DMG
THE GRIEF, has (up to,) +400 dmg

THAT IS MIN DMG AND MAX DMG

YOUR BARBARIAN, when you sit down and do math, like you said you would,
Hass about 800% ed more or less, depending upon build..
w/ your masteries, skills, strength # -> ed%, beast's fanat+it's own %ed

NOW, when you do the math, YOU HAVE 0 MIN DMG FROM YOUR BUILD?!???
SOOOO that 800% x base weapon dmg for zerker or w/e weapon, is trashy as hell
Literally the low dmg hits, are nothing...

now

you do that 800% x 400 min dmg/400 max dmg
That is where you get dmg from....
ALLL any barb needs is grief/beast, after that build up inventory, but there is no way ppl "deal all dmg w/ ow"
And if you look at the math, or google dmg calculator, you will see in now way do they even compare.

Now, as you clearly are new to this topic, which is brought up no less than 1x per week on SnG,
Please, look for yourself, and lmk when you know that grief >
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Jun 16 2013 04:20pm
Quote (AndreaOvna @ Jun 17 2013 12:02am)
Have you ever used a barb before?

TsBoyer gave you an explanation, and you decided to get rude w/ my friend so, seriously, i'm jw have you used barb before..

OW...? really?
You think that's how barbs do dmg?
It's about as effective as a psn charm....except vs sorcs


there are builds where barbs deal mainly dmg with OW. it can be very powerfull but it requires alot of patience/skill :)
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Jun 16 2013 06:14pm
Quote (silent9 @ Jun 16 2013 05:26pm)
its widely known that grief is best one handed weapon in many cases. only high end eth 2os fool's self repair 290+ ed% rare or crafted weapon rival grief which are next to impossible to get.


They dont compare to grief at all actually.
Thought op was a troll at first but hes serious lmao
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Jun 16 2013 08:53pm
Quote (rimtutitukee @ Jun 16 2013 02:20pm)
there are builds where barbs deal mainly dmg with OW. it can be very powerfull but it requires alot of patience/skill :)


Ok, I was quite a bit rude earlier.

Please excuse me..

Now ow is extremely effective, especially vs. certain builds!

HOWEVER, his statement was that "OW" does MOST of the dmg,

And by no means is this the truth, unless, you are dueling, say a es sorcy,

At which point, (if mb,) I'd ow her down too..

But as far as this thread goes, NOTHING beats the 400min/max dmg on a BvC

With all of the hit checkpoints, min dmg is your best friend..

ESP, w/ regards to fhr'ing opponent and tight whirling.

Anyway, excuse me for earlier, but if you have questions lmk, I can be of assistance. :)
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Jun 17 2013 04:16am
grief for life yo
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Jun 17 2013 07:16am
Quote (AndreaOvna @ Jun 17 2013 04:53am)
Ok, I was quite a bit rude earlier.

Please excuse me..

Now ow is extremely effective, especially vs. certain builds!

HOWEVER, his statement was that "OW" does MOST of the dmg,

And by no means is this the truth, unless, you are dueling, say a es sorcy,

At which point, (if mb,) I'd ow her down too..

But as far as this thread goes, NOTHING beats the 400min/max dmg on a BvC

With all of the hit checkpoints, min dmg is your best friend..

ESP, w/ regards to fhr'ing opponent and tight whirling.

Anyway, excuse me for earlier, but if you have questions lmk, I can be of assistance. :)


BUT THE OP WANTS MATH?? ARE WE CAN PROVIDE MATH FOR HE?
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Jun 17 2013 08:19am
beast grief best :)
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Jun 17 2013 08:00pm
Quote (154 @ Jun 16 2013 02:17pm)
lold at all these people, where is the undeniable mathematical proof?
and if you read im not concerned about having greater min/consistent damage and i could care less about what "everyone" uses
open wounds is what does and always will do the effective damages
just saying that grief > edc without proof (like any claim in the real world) makes you look and sound like a fool
as always i will sit down with pen and paper myself and come to my own conclusions






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