So I've made some changes to my assassin and now run 65FCR/48FHR at all times instead of 65FCR/27FHR.
The purpose of this debate is to find out what is best for ghost v ghost, while in the mean time do not hurt myself too much for ghost v all either.

NOTE: When I run Ghost v All, I use 20/5s. Without the 9x 32020s on the bottom row, my AR falls under 10k. With 6x Shadows build, I am able to safely attain 10.2k AR even with 20/5s on - Making it very tempting.

Inputs anyone?



This post was edited by Azn Masta on May 20 2014 11:31pm

the 9 shadow stats look best imo

Ok seriously why do you have so much dex?

You don't still use shide do you?

But more seriously, I tried all 32020's in the past and I think its a weak build, currently rocking 5x shadows (for lvl 17 shadow master at all times) and the rest 32020's.
I do think that 45's are overall better but I'm loathe to part with the life from my 32020s

How are you hitting 48 fhr? I'm assuming eod+dancers...
I use 27 fhr vs all and in ghost vs ghost but i'm a big fan of the fhr, I have a very interesting vs trap setup with 86 fhr and I like it a lot.

What is with the 10k ar thing? Sounds like something similar to "you need 60 block on your sin" thing
I remember glancing at the ar/def table in your ghost guide, can't remember the exact numbers but I thought the conclusion was something like 7-8k ar?
Idk... I have like 7xxx ar with fury and 8xxx with my cruel and I think I hit more than enough, I have angelic ring+ammy I can swap for hl+fcr ring but it doesn't seem to hit more or do more dmg..

This post was edited by SymphonicX on May 21 2014 02:10am

I use high lords ofc. And I'm level 99 with like 50+ point in dex (2x 30ed, 7fhr, 9dex, 30 poison res jewels in hat + 3/20/5fhr for 48fhr)

As for the 10k ar, this was something I found after numerous builds and seemed to stick with it. Let me revisit my ar chart again and get back to you later

6 shadow / 190 Dex of those options.
Dex vs Vita from hard stats is really just going to boil down to preference.
I prefer a more physical orientated sin and I don't stat hard Dex for anything other than gear requirements.

This post was edited by young2093 on May 21 2014 11:12am

I guess out of those options 6 shadow/190 dex, seems like best combo of stats to me.
Differences between those 3 builds are so miniscule though.

The thing that made me vote for #1 was the extra CB, if it's so easily attainable, it's worth it for the minor sacrifices imo.

First off all I want to tell you that my build was inspired by your guide. So, thank you for the inputs in the first place.

I don't use a specific Ghost vs Ghost build but a Ghost vs All one.

I go with 2 x 7% fhr 30% ed 9 str 10 All res in the hat and 1 x 5@/5Fhr to get 48% fhr, as you.

I do use 6 x Shadow Skillers and rest 322's, for a total of 16 (I usually go with 14 + 2 x 20/5 just to have all the res good).

I didn't put a single point into str and just 1 to dex (to match item req without raven). My total Dex is 123 (103 without raven, eth Feral req).

My regular Ar is 7793 (chaos) / 17505 (fool's) with WW and it satisfies me in almost all matches. I use Ench vs these opponents that require a higher Ar.

Visio Diadem, HL, Raven, Rare Ring, Fool's Feral, Chaos Suw, Trangs, Arak, Shadow Dancers.


If you feel the need of having more Ar I'd say 6 x Shadow + 190 Dex but I wouldn't go over that. Imo it's already a loss of life.


However, you are the Ghost expert here so that's just my point of view

What are your other scs? 36/20? or?

This post was edited by Darkal on May 21 2014 02:17pm

I pump dex for damage and ar. I use all 32020s

What's your life at whet that much dex

My opinion is..

..weapon block cannot be predicted.