Since RoS was a complete failure and flop, what games are you guys waiting for to come out / switched over to?
I'm just wondering, I miss a good RPG. Really, really loved Diablo2 even though there was hacked items and shit, the game play was awesome. Same with the PvP and trading economy.

Got any recommendations/suggestions?

dark souls 2, love the pvp. u can fight almost any where in the game

Is there a trading aspect to the game as well?
I think what I miss most is being able to trade up to get good items and then go PvP.
Also it was great when we were able to sell items for $, had a pretty large clientele that I would buy and sell for money.

Diablo 2 isn't an RPG idiot.

since RoS gets boring to quick i usually go play my xbox one bf4

Great answer lol, I've been playing FIFA


I guess I was never role playing as a character in Diablo it was just considered as clicking pixels.

20 million copies of D3 sold, 2.7m RoS in first week, must be shit.

diablo 3 and its expansion have both very healthy sales for pc games

Going to play some poker as a filler until Halo Anniversary comes out, then finally get around to picking up an XBOne to play some Halo 2 & 3 multiplayer competitively again

I really do miss pre-RoS Diablo, such a shame.



Keep in mind that sales don't mean much. Blizzard toted RoS to be the "Saviour of the Diablo franchise", claiming that it had everything the people who rage quit D3's original release we're looking for. It's easy to sell copies of something when no one has their hands on the actual testing.

Even PTR for most of the RoS related content didn't really inform people of the direction the game was heading.



A good example is to think of Elder Scrolls Online.

-> Skyrim is arguably one of the biggest console releases in the last decade, if not THE biggest. The internet wave it created was insane. I mean, really, think about it. There was a point where almost everything that was being posted on the net was a Skyrim pun/joke/meme.
--> ESO sold a literal SHIT TON of copies riding off Skyrim's coattail... but in reality the games are nothing alike. The E3 displays and company branding made the game seem essentially like a co-op skyrim. Everyone knew what MMOs entailed but the way they PRESENTED the game was different from how it actually performed.
----> Like 5 people still play ESO.... And it's only just recently been launched for console... So it had months and months and a double launch to gain popularity after great opening sales and it's already a ghost.

RoS may have sold a few copies, and in reality I feel Blizzard really and truly thought they were reviving the game... But the fact of it all is that no one plays anymore. The game is dead content.

To put a rough estimate on it.. If 500,000 unique players were logging on May 2013 (A year after game release), I would say you have 1/10th of that currently logging in daily. You have people with thousands and thousands of hours of D3 gameplay dropping the game like a hot potato.


Removing trade from Diablo III was a bad move.
Making the game entirely self found and polarizing the drops so that everyone is a winner was a bad move.
Making the jump between complete noob and 99% end game take 1 week, and that final 1% taking 2 years was a bad move.

Trade was a cornerstone of the franchise. You didn't see games like Need For Speed or Gran Turismo removing car tuning from their franchise... Because that was the whole damn point. What is the point of grinding D3 if the reward has since been removed.


And for what it's worth, as it stands now, there is no going back. They would have to revert the entire drop system just to re-implement trade.

No one is going to be lining up to buy 500/500 stat Depth Diggers when 95% of them roll within 30-50 net stats of that. The key to trade was a large variety of possible rolls on items. Meaning 25% of the IK chests you found were absolutely god awful, 60% were good to great, and 15% were "Holy shit this is worth some money".

Now 1% are awful, 98% are good-great, and 1% are "Holy shit if I put this on my character and update D Prog I might get a compliment if someone happens to notice me in game when I'm running Pubs cuz none of my friends play anymore"

Weapons aren't much different. 95% of them will never be usable. Ever.

Much like the complaints that some of the crybabies had pre-RoS before they tricked Blizzard into nuking their own game, so many items right now are insta-salvage. Exactly the OPPOSITE of what the entire premise of their game changes was supposed to be about.

They nerfed class specs, removed popular character builds all together, nerfed items, buffed items, introduced new items, all with the intent to broaden build diversity... And what did we get?

Each class has 1-2 "Must-Run" builds.

Pet Doc + Jade Doc
Conflag Wiz + Archon Wiz
Shotgun Sader + What ever that other one is
Leap Barb + Leap Barb 2.0
Turret DH + Pet DH
Zdps Monk

Now they're going to nuke a few more of those in the new patch/ladders. More generic builds will emerge.

And overall less item diversity than pre-RoS. Scroll down your friends list... go ahead.... Tell me how many people aren't using Thunderfury or the one OP weapon for each class (WoW, Star, Flail).


This post was edited by TheDutchMan1443 on Aug 7 2014 09:30pm

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