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Quote (DevilWithin17 @ 17 Dec 2009 01:35)
Thats like saying if you shoot 1 arrow 5 feet to the left and 1 5 feet to right, on average you will always hit the target....

and the largest possible from that data is almost 2.0 if it came from a 537 hit


well i would be happy if it came from the 537.

but gonna do as izparagonzi did say go cata with mage and cast to get avg for YOU

and there is alot of other numbers to put into the picture that we dont get out of njaguar so this is the best way to get the avg.

This post was edited by TwinTurbo on Dec 16 2009 06:42pm
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Quote (DevilWithin17 @ Dec 17 2009 12:35am)
Thats like saying if you shoot 1 arrow 5 feet to the left and 1 5 feet to right, on average you will always hit the target....

and the largest possible from that data is almost 2.0 if it came from a 537 hit


That doesn't make any sense, their aren't even any bows in LS.

@ izparatagr Were talking about solo since offensive casting in catacombs still sucks. Catacomb monsters have lower stats/defense and what not so it wouldn't be extremly reliable although definitly a good start.
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Quote (arxyn @ Dec 16 2009 06:41pm)
That doesn't make any sense, their aren't even any bows in LS.

@ izparatagr Were talking about solo since offensive casting in catacombs still sucks. Catacomb monsters have lower stats/defense and what not so it wouldn't be extremly reliable although definitly a good start.


It's a stats joke...

Quote (TwinTurbo @ Dec 16 2009 06:40pm)
well i would be happy if it came from the 537.

but gonna do as izparagonzi did say go cata with mage and cast to get avg for YOU

and there is alot of other numbers to put into the picture that we dont get out of njaguar so this is the best way to get the avg.


Average is the worst number to use b/c that will tell you your average crit factor

Use the highest crit and highest damage to determine you highest crit factor
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@ DevilWithin17

using the avg is the best you can do when you dont get the other numbers out of Njaguar.



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Paul does not give hints...infact if he did it would be so cryptic of an answer that all you could do would be to facepalm.

If you want solid numbers do more sampling and ask someone for math help.
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Quote (TwinTurbo @ Dec 16 2009 06:53pm)
@ DevilWithin17

using the avg is the best you can do when you dont get the other numbers out of Njaguar.

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/2006/avgd.png


So let me get this right

you want to find your maximum crit factor possible by using a average damage that is reduced by defense and increased by crits and your maximum crit?

No no and no!

Largest crit from a larger sample compared to your highest shown damage

That is how we determined 3x was melee's max crit (which is a max dex factor of 1.5x b/c crit already does 2x)

Use a damn tier 3 ice if you have to

This post was edited by DevilWithin17 on Dec 16 2009 07:17pm
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Quote (TwinTurbo @ Dec 17 2009 12:53pm)
@ DevilWithin17

using the avg is the best you can do when you dont get the other numbers out of Njaguar.

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/2006/avgd.png


That is still decent damage...
Not like it use to be... but stilll decent
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twinturbo
look at it this way
suppose you crit *2 everytime, using a charm with 5-10 shown damage
then your crits will be 10,12,14,16,18,20, so your max is 20

your average will be around 7.5

so by your standards, you'd say 20/7.5

which is wrong

now do you get it?

thanks arxyn for catching the typo

This post was edited by J_B on Dec 16 2009 07:15pm
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Quote (izParagonzi @ 17 Dec 2009 02:08)
That is still decent damage...
Not like it use to be... but stilll decent


feels like mage got one of his legs chopped off! from 1.17-1.18

Quote (J_B @ 17 Dec 2009 02:09)
twinturbo
look at it this way
suppose you crit *2 everytime, using a charm with 5-10 shown damage
then your crits will be 10,12,14,16,18,20, so your max is 20

your average will be around 7.5

so by your standards, you'd say 20/7.5

which is wrong

now do you get it?

thanks arxyn for catching the typo


did not get it when you had 6, 12 ,14 etc :P

my bad with the math, did wake up about 1hour ago and was gonna do some slashing with the breakfest.
my mage was weak, so i did send a pm to paul and he linked me here.
got so frusterated that my mage was doing lot less dmg.

but yeah i get it ofc. still dont like this, and how much effect will +1crit do in avg dmgwise?

cuz after the new patch im wondering if im gonna go back to dagger.

Angelic diamond dagger
Level Req: 40
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Mythical godwood staff
Level Req: 55
Damage: 48 to 128

+10 Vitality
+41 Intelligence
+376 Max Life
+2% Experience Gained
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This post was edited by TwinTurbo on Dec 16 2009 07:21pm
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Quote (TwinTurbo @ 17 Dec 2009 00:53)
@ DevilWithin17

using the avg is the best you can do when you dont get the other numbers out of Njaguar.

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/2006/avgd.png


so a light charm does 1-1000 damage, just because you average 500, doesn't even mean that a 1k hit would be a critical...
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