Quote (card_sultan @ May 12 2018 11:33am)

toss thee like a ball is not talking about the shape of earth - nice try even though it shows how desperate you are to find evidence for your fantasy.

Quote (kai_jph @ May 11 2018 11:40pm)

Read earlier
I did not use that as proof of the globe earth.
In any case I stated earlier the Bible is not a realiable scientific source

Chivas brought those 2 verses up post 8331 to show the difference in use of the words ball and circle used by Isaiah

I just posted the original hebrew words used

Quote (kai_jph @ May 12 2018 07:10pm)

Read earlier. I never said its was nor was I using it as proof
In any case I stated earlier post 8333 the Bible is not a realiable scientific source

Chivas brought those 2 verses up post 8331 to show the difference in use of the words ball and circle used by Isaiah

I just posted the original hebrew words used and some of their translations

Quote (card_sultan @ May 12 2018 11:59am)

do you realize like half the FE community is not even religious and are trying to keep FE and relegion separate.

it really has nothing to do with the bible, sure it was sorta mention but it is also in every other culture so no religion can claim ownership.

Quote (card_sultan @ May 12 2018 11:59am)

I call Flat Earth a Cosmological Realization, not the return of religious dogma that you think your fighting against.

Quote (card_sultan @ May 12 2018 11:59am)

No one is saying relegion should run our goverment or anything, you're just fighting a strawman you helped create to keep misrepresenting the truth.


If yuo have any shred of decency, you should really learn the truth instead of creating strawmen for you to fight against - your strategy is failing and FE is growing like mad so keep failing if you want

https://youtu.be/QlQgHdDAnsQ

Quote (ChivasRegal @ May 12 2018 12:09pm)

as usual, you continue to take things out of context. Like when you said "like a ball" can mean 'bullet" in Hebrew......tell me more about bullets being used 2,700+ years ago during the time of Isaiah?
also you claim "circle of the earth" is Hebrew word used there is חוג (chug)
https://i.imgur.com/g8Rs87E.jpg how does one sitteth upon a chug?

Quote (card_sultan @ May 11 2018 10:23pm)

If everyone knew the Earth was a ball of 25,000 mile 2300 years ago - why did it take 1700 years to go find the other half?

Thais because the Vatican knew about the Americas for a long ass time and wanted to keep it a secret for as long as possible and they are still doing it today - keeping you locked in a cage of your own feeble mind.

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A carrack was a three- or four-masted ocean-going sailing ship that was developed in the 14th and 15th centuries in Europe. Developed from the single-masted cog, the carrack was first used for European trade from the Mediterranean to the Baltic and quickly found use with the newly found wealth and status of the trans-Atlantic slave trade. In its most advanced forms, it was used by the Portuguese for trade along the African coast and finally with Asia and America from the 15th century before evolving into the galleon of the 16th and 17th centuries.

In its most developed form, the carrack was a carvel-built ocean-going ship: large enough to be stable in heavy seas, and for a large cargo and the provisions needed for very long voyages. The later carracks were square-rigged on the foremast and mainmast and lateen-rigged on the mizzenmast. They had a high rounded stern with large aftcastle, forecastle and bowsprit at the stem. As the predecessor of the galleon, the carrack was one of the most influential ship designs in history; while ships became more specialized in the following centuries, the basic design remained unchanged throughout this period.

Quote (Ep0ch @ May 12 2018 07:56am)

Oof. That's gotta hurt.

Quote (Santara @ May 12 2018 01:20am)

First, the Vikings were in the Americas 1000 years ago. Second, the answer would require you to understand the progression of ship technology through the ages.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrack

Quote (kai_jph @ May 12 2018 12:35am)

I agree with you there
But Chivas argues otherwise


That realization is part of the debate
If you can prove it to be true then you prove GE is a total lie as per the OP

I have never believed it to be return of religious dogma, just (imo) that FE believer can treat it like a religion (like chivas)




Believe me, I have researched flat earth quite a bit for the chance it may be true
Even now why do you think I ask so many questions?

But to date no proof can confirm any theory related to the FE models
You even stated you can't prove it (infinte possibilities and not knowing)

Quote (card_sultan @ May 12 2018 02:01pm)

More lies about history - 100% proof that the Minoan's were in America 4k-12k years ago

which is part of Italy so Rome

Copper manufacturing site found in Tennessee:

https://youtu.be/RCsl52biXHA

Lies and secrets are just part of Human nature for all of time, its not just some recently discovered tactic.

Of course you want to misrepresent FE, cause you misunderstand everything
you cant even make water stick to a ball and have no working model
you cant prove ball Earth because you've never seen it for yourself - you just trust in cartoons from the goverment.