The scamming didn't take place "because of" gambling, it took place because of scammers. Gambling itself doesn't scam people, people scam people. People who are dishonest exploit every means possible to scam people. If they can scam via a gamble, then that's what they do, if they can scam via a trade, then that's what they do, if they can scam via a phishing link, or some other means, then that's what they do. The masses shouldn't be punished due to the actions of the few.

All in all, far more people are scammed in trades than in gambling transactions, so the same argument you use against gambling could just as well be made against trading items for fg.

This is the real world man, and in the real world there are risks. Big brother can't always be there to protect everyone from every possible thing that might go wrong in their lives.

The fact of the matter is, that gambling is going to take place regardless of any site restrictions. If rules are put in place to prevent gambling, it will just take place in the shadows, via pm etc, in which people will be put at even greater risk. At the end of the day, the betting ranking system helps bettors tremendously, saving countless people from being taken advantage of.

And with all that being said, Paul has already deemed betting not supported by this site. But his reasoning is due to the legal implications of gambling sites, regarding varying interstate, and international laws, age limit restrictions, and the special licensing required to operate a gambling site.

I'll end with saying, just like with the traditional fg/item trades that take place on this site, the number of people who get scammed/welched in a gambling transactions is an insignificant fraction of the total number of bets that take place, of which take place smoothly, with both parties walking away happy. Welches are the exception, not the rule.

Just curious, out of the "literally" thousands of bets that take place on this site per month, how many related scammer accusations do you see?

This post was edited by MerleHaggard on Jul 30 2010 03:08pm

Well your choice c, was actually choice b, and you just explained it from your perspective.
I would posit that, gambling isn't the problem. The lack of accountability of gamblers is the problem that leads to scamming/welching. Since gambling is not the problem, the solution should fix the lack of accountability. Greasemonkey accomplishes this by marking those that are trustworthy to bet with.


/e also, your logic should be universal yes? So there are so many 'scams' in the trade forums that could be eliminated if there wasn't any trading at all. Should trading be eliminated, or should mediators be used who can ensure the process goes smoothly? Obviously option two. As Merle said, tags can't be given by d2jsp itself because of legal reasons, but self moderation is a positive thing. and thus the discussion about how many levels we need to utilize in the script. (welch/unknown/active/med/senior med)

This post was edited by Havocide on Jul 30 2010 03:09pm

Gambling isnt supported by d2jsp, thats why we have to make our own mediators...



there are infinatly more scams that happen under your watch in d2 alone... dont even try to compare apples to oranges

We should shut down trading to prevent scams... only use the ingame trading in d2 to 100% prevent scams

none the less, if someone wants to scam, they will, and while you have that "special" green tag for "putting in time in the community" it doesnt mean shit to me

id trust merlehaggard with everything I own in real life before id trust you to pick up a beer for me at a bar


good try being the puppet though

you should have ++ soon IMO

This post was edited by FatZero on Jul 30 2010 03:14pm

key word - HELD. You've might have HAD a girlfriend before you realized it was your transexual dad. All past tense budddddddddy

Simply needs to have a better engine implemented for gambling. Something along the lines of an automated FG trading system.

This post was edited by bangbangshot on Jul 30 2010 03:16pm

The bettor scripts reflect accuracy in trusted members of the respective community way more accurately then d2jsp trusted members as of the past few years...


the bettor scripts only accepts people that bet frequently in that respective community...

to get d2jsp trusted all you gotta do is post in general help from premade copy / paste links, or join black circle / United slackers, or what ever guild sabine was in



cant even believe he would come in here, not knowing anything about the topic, and put his unrelated 2 cents on the matter,... lol



This post was edited by FatZero on Jul 30 2010 03:18pm

Scams in d2 wouldnt happen if people used the suggest mediator system.Scams happen because mediators are not used.

To say that scams are happening under "my watch" is laughable. Scams DONT happen because mediators are used not the other way around.

**Edit** I can see you have some obvious issues with mediators and trusted members. Perhaps thats why your so aggressive and insulting.



Saying that I got to being a mediator simply by joining a guild shows you dont know anything about becoming a trusted/mediator. I earned this through much work and time.

If you knew anything about that I doubt you would have a warn % at all.

This post was edited by xaos4ever on Jul 30 2010 03:39pm

Its nice you have such confidence in the system.... request a mediator and see how long it takes


waiting 3 hours to trade 100 fg isnt fucking worth it...

and try doing it in a game that isnt d2... like guild wars, or EVE

I've seen people waiting weeks for a mediator in EVE




for your other half ass comments, id direct you to look at my warn logs, but your just a piddly member trying to look swole, you have no access to moderator stuff



I used to be in a A_U_T_I_S_M's half ass guild till I quit, I know more then you think


I also like how "hard work" is posting copy/paste in general help long enough to get noticed to get put on the Scammers Accusation helper list

clearly im clueless

This post was edited by FatZero on Jul 30 2010 03:43pm

you gunna respond to me or merle? or just ad hom fat?



exactly...? so whats your problem with gambling again? we discussed why your logic failed here, but your only response was to start arguing with fat... :\ logically defeated i think


/e save your the scroll up




This post was edited by Havocide on Jul 30 2010 03:47pm

He knows nothing about the system, and doesnt realize we elected our own mediators to safeguard the system...


this forums scam rate is fractional compared to any other place.... prolly like 4 reported welches historically

This post was edited by FatZero on Jul 30 2010 03:44pm