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May 5 2013 06:00pm
Quote (LoveGun @ May 5 2013 07:47pm)
I think fair would be weighing in as you step into the ring.


i don't really see weigh-ins the day before as being "unfair" the fighters know all the rules when they agree to the fight so where does all this unfair stuff come from? are there fighters saying weight cutting is unfair? if there is i'd like to hear their reasons behind it, cause personally i think their opinion is the only one that matters since they're the ones getting locked in the cage. the fighters seem to accept weight cutting as part of the sport, so why can't we?
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May 5 2013 07:15pm
Quote (LoveGun @ May 5 2013 08:17pm)
I think fair would be weighing in as you step into the ring.


Yes there is a window of oppurtunity when they're standing there getting checked up, do it then. It would be a lot more intense.
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May 6 2013 04:06pm
you could argue that someone that has freak atletic abilities has a biological edge and therefor is bad for the integrety of the sport
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May 6 2013 11:14pm
there used to be a time when people didn't cut weight, even with the 24 hours allowance. Eventually, someone in boxing, i can't remember his name, in the 60's i think, started seeing the advantage of weight cutting, bunch of people called him a cheater, now it's part of every combat sports. It won't change because everyone feels this system is giving them an advantage, and any sport that wants to move away from that has to fight the argument that every other combat sport works this way.

Me, i'd put a scale right next to the octagon, no taking your fight gear off, you weight in just before you climb to fight. Afraid of going over by .05? don't game the system, give yourself some slack, or keep a balance in your locker room the whole day.

Everyone going 1-2 weight classes over isn't an argument to not do it really, who cares if gsp is called a welterweight or a middleweight, as long as he fights people within the same weight range as he is? Same with everyone else. The way it is now, you frequently see people with 20-25+lbs real weight difference, which goes completely against the point of having 15lbs weight classes. Heck, you could finally put a 235lbs division for lighter heavyweight, then above would be super heavyweight.

It'll never happen though, that's sad. Anthony johnson ruined his health and kidneys/liver trying to do extreme weight cuts all his carreer, trying to fight smaller oponents, now he's stuck at heavyweight/LHW, if he even manages to make that weight in his next fight.

This post was edited by StephanePare on May 6 2013 11:16pm
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May 7 2013 12:19am
Imo they should do what they do in wrestling

7% body fat limit to prevent people cutting lower to what their natural weight would be at 7%. Keeps fighters safe, and they can still be ripped



Edit: maybe 5% because they are pros

This post was edited by neonspike on May 7 2013 12:19am
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May 7 2013 12:54am
Quote (StephanePare @ May 7 2013 01:14am)
there used to be a time when people didn't cut weight, even with the 24 hours allowance.  Eventually, someone in boxing, i can't remember his name, in the 60's i think, started seeing the advantage of weight cutting, bunch of people called him a cheater, now it's part of every combat sports.  It won't change because everyone feels this system is giving them an advantage, and any sport that wants to move away from that has to fight the argument that every other combat sport works this way.

Me, i'd put a scale right next to the octagon, no taking your fight gear off, you weight in just before you climb to fight.  Afraid of going over by .05?  don't game the system, give yourself some slack, or keep a balance in your locker room the whole day.

Everyone going 1-2 weight classes over isn't an argument to not do it really, who cares if gsp is called a welterweight or a middleweight, as long as he fights people within the same weight range as he is?  Same with everyone else.  The way it is now, you frequently see people with 20-25+lbs real weight difference, which goes completely against the point of having 15lbs weight classes.  Heck, you could finally put a 235lbs division for lighter heavyweight, then above would be super heavyweight.

It'll never happen though, that's sad.  Anthony johnson ruined his health and kidneys/liver trying to do extreme weight cuts all his carreer, trying to fight smaller oponents, now he's stuck at heavyweight/LHW, if he even manages to make that weight in his  next fight.


idk, a lot of what your sayin makes sense, but imo you don't see 20+ lbs between fighters that often because damn near every fighter nowadays cuts, and since most of the weight classes are 10-20 lb difference a fighter will likely drop down a class if he can and the guys will be roughly his size.
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Imo they should do what they do in wrestling

7% body fat limit to prevent people cutting lower to what their natural weight would be at 7%. Keeps fighters safe, and they can still be ripped



Edit: maybe 5% because they are pros


this is the best idea i've heard, i like this better than day of fight weigh-ins, because you could still have it day before, allows fighters to have their fight day ritual without having to worry about stepping on the scale and being over for any reason
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May 7 2013 04:05pm
Quote (StephanePare @ May 7 2013 12:14am)
there used to be a time when people didn't cut weight, even with the 24 hours allowance.  Eventually, someone in boxing, i can't remember his name, in the 60's i think, started seeing the advantage of weight cutting, bunch of people called him a cheater, now it's part of every combat sports.  It won't change because everyone feels this system is giving them an advantage, and any sport that wants to move away from that has to fight the argument that every other combat sport works this way.

Me, i'd put a scale right next to the octagon, no taking your fight gear off, you weight in just before you climb to fight.  Afraid of going over by .05?  don't game the system, give yourself some slack, or keep a balance in your locker room the whole day.

Everyone going 1-2 weight classes over isn't an argument to not do it really, who cares if gsp is called a welterweight or a middleweight, as long as he fights people within the same weight range as he is?  Same with everyone else.  The way it is now, you frequently see people with 20-25+lbs real weight difference, which goes completely against the point of having 15lbs weight classes.  Heck, you could finally put a 235lbs division for lighter heavyweight, then above would be super heavyweight.

It'll never happen though, that's sad.  Anthony johnson ruined his health and kidneys/liver trying to do extreme weight cuts all his carreer, trying to fight smaller oponents, now he's stuck at heavyweight/LHW, if he even manages to make that weight in his  next fight.


Yeah Rumble Johnson always looked a weight class and a half over his opponents, his health record should stand as testament though.
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May 11 2013 10:07pm
Quote (neonspike @ May 7 2013 01:19am)
Imo they should do what they do in wrestling

7% body fat limit to prevent people cutting lower to what their natural weight would be at 7%. Keeps fighters safe, and they can still be ripped



Edit: maybe 5% because they are pros


You can have a 7%, or 5%, hell even 3% body fat regulation. That won't stop athletes from dehydrating themselves. The only way to stop weight cutting is to hold weigh ins before jumping in the cage, or to have it the same day as the fight as close as possible to the actual event.
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May 12 2013 10:37am
Quote (Higher @ May 11 2013 11:07pm)
You can have a 7%, or 5%, hell even 3% body fat regulation. That won't stop athletes from dehydrating themselves. The only way to stop weight cutting is to hold weigh ins before jumping in the cage, or to have it the same day as the fight as close as possible to the actual event.


I'm gonna email Dana right quick let him know
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