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May 18 2013 02:01am
Quote (BardOfXiix @ May 17 2013 11:04pm)
Why the fuck is it so hard for people to understand a basic MMR/Elo system?  Jesus fuck.


I uh know, why don't you spell it out for me? being completely rude without actually saying anything useful, seems to not be helping much (wow imagine that).

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May 18 2013 02:07am
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I uh know, why don't you spell it out for me? being completely rude without actually saying anything useful, seems to not be helping much  (wow imagine that).


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system

Read this. Understand the basic concepts. Then we can talk.
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May 18 2013 02:24am
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system

Read this.  Understand the basic concepts.  Then we can talk.


Ok I've read this and it did make sense, however this completely fails to answer what I've asked. If I as a gold player beat multiple master teams, while sustaining a 80-100% win ratio against legitimate people in my bracket, why am i unable to rank up? As informative and interesting as it is, it still doesn't explain why beating plat players whenever I'm fortunate enough to play them, and master players on occasions doesn't rank me up to at least plat. If you could explain this in your own words instead of citing something that's not really relevant, I would greatly appreciate it.

BTW, I know I'm terrible at this game. I'm a fps guy and I'm trying my best to learn RTS games. It just sucks when I feel like I should be in plat, and it's either kids in gold or kids in masters and nothing in between. My MMR should not be high enough to be placing me against high diamonds/plats (in 2v2) who are masters in 1v1. Once again just confused as to why i haven't hit plat, and wondering if anyone out there has any constructive criticism as to why I'm facing this unfortunate roadblock.

ONE AGAIN, just to clarify. I know I'm bad, I don't think I stand up to the majority of people on jsp. I'm just wondering why it's so fucking hard for me to get into plat with a good win ratio, 60 points above the next person and a win against 2 master kids (in 1v1). Just seems like a rank up there would be fitting lol.
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May 18 2013 02:26am
It's possible to skip leagues, so you can go from gold to diamond




That being said, the league you're in is just a trophy and indication of rough skill level, it doesn't affect matchmaking at all
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May 18 2013 02:30am
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Ok I've read this and it did make sense, however this completely fails to answer what I've asked. If I as a gold player beat multiple master teams, while sustaining a 80-100% win ratio against legitimate people in my bracket, why am i unable to rank up? As informative and interesting as it is, it still doesn't explain why beating plat players whenever I'm fortunate enough to play them, and master players on occasions doesn't rank me up to at least plat. If you could explain this in your own words instead of citing something that's not really relevant, I would greatly appreciate it.

BTW, I know I'm terrible at this game. I'm a fps guy and I'm trying my best to learn RTS games. It just sucks when I feel like I should be in plat, and it's either kids in gold or kids in masters and nothing in between. My MMR should not be high enough to be placing me against high diamonds/plats (in 2v2) who are masters in 1v1. Once again just confused as to why i haven't hit plat, and wondering if anyone out there has any constructive criticism as to why I'm facing this unfortunate roadblock.

ONE AGAIN, just to clarify. I know I'm bad, I don't think I stand up to the majority of people on jsp. I'm just wondering why it's so fucking hard for me to get into plat with a good win ratio, 60 points above the next person and a win against 2 master kids (in 1v1). Just seems like a rank up there would be fitting lol.


Leagues are a front. They are an approximation of your MMR (which is a modified Elo system). Your League exists only to give a generalized concept of the MMR you have attained; it does not reflect your actual level of play.

You have not yet ranked up because Blizzard has not figured out where to place you yet. As your MMR is apparently volatile and your league is far off (shown by your high win rate), Blizzard needs to figure out where to place you before it places you--aka it needs to do massive re-calibration of your Elo.

In the same vein, everyone else's league is a front as well. A masters player on a 50 game losing streak will most likely retain his masters league, even though his MMR has dipped to plat/gold levels. The league will not change until his win/loss normalizes and Blizzard determines which league he now belongs in. Only after that process will he gain his new league.

tl;dr: leagues mean dick all don't fucking worry about them don't bitch about promotions just play the damn game and everything will work itself out.
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May 18 2013 08:35pm
Quote (BardOfXiix @ May 18 2013 12:30am)
Leagues are a front.  They are an approximation of your MMR (which is a modified Elo system).  Your League exists only to give a generalized concept of the MMR you have attained; it does not reflect your actual level of play.

You have not yet ranked up because Blizzard has not figured out where to place you yet.  As your MMR is apparently volatile and your league is far off (shown by your high win rate), Blizzard needs to figure out where to place you before it places you--aka it needs to do massive re-calibration of your Elo.

In the same vein, everyone else's league is a front as well.  A masters player on a 50 game losing streak will most likely retain his masters league, even though his MMR has dipped to plat/gold levels.  The league will not change until his win/loss normalizes and Blizzard determines which league he now belongs in.  Only after that process will he gain his new league.

tl;dr:  leagues mean dick all don't fucking worry about them don't bitch about promotions just play the damn game and everything will work itself out.


Yeah man I am, I enjoy the game a lot and I'm going to keep playing. Really really weird for me being this bad at a game lol, I'm usually pretty good at most games I pick up.

Played one game of random 2s while by buddy was offline, went from 15 gold to 13 plat, playing complete noobs who were still on 1 base at 12 minutes.

I appreciate all the information. I'm not trying to whine/bitch or whatever, I will continue playing and trying to get better. I just wanted to have a better understanding of how the ranking system works. Just started reminding me of halo3's ranking system lol.

I need to stop posting when I'm buzzin, I can't type for shit and I have a much higher tendency for rage :P .

This post was edited by jadeoshbogosh on May 18 2013 08:37pm
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May 19 2013 03:34am
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Yeah man I am, I enjoy the game a lot and I'm going to keep playing. Really really weird for me being this bad at a game lol, I'm usually pretty good at most games I pick up.

Played one game of random 2s while by buddy was offline, went from 15 gold to 13 plat, playing complete noobs who were still on 1 base at 12 minutes.

I appreciate all the information. I'm not trying to whine/bitch or whatever, I will continue playing and trying to get better. I just wanted to have a better understanding of how the ranking system works. Just started reminding me of halo3's ranking system lol.

I need to stop posting when I'm buzzin, I can't type for shit and I have a much higher tendency for rage :P .


Better solution: don't be fucking stupid. Use your brain (assuming you have one) and try to figure something out before you come crying to us about it.
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May 19 2013 05:12am
honestly if you had played a few more games instead of making this thread you would have been promoted already
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May 19 2013 09:38am
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Better solution:  don't be fucking stupid.  Use your brain (assuming you have one) and try to figure something out before you come crying to us about it.


You seem to be incredibly hostile for no reason. Does it really take you that long to post out a simple civil response? Or is being a dick on jsp the only thing that makes you feel like you are worth a shit?

This post was edited by jadeoshbogosh on May 19 2013 09:39am
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May 19 2013 12:53pm
Quote (jadeoshbogosh @ May 19 2013 08:38am)
You seem to be incredibly hostile for no reason. Does it really take you that long to post out a simple civil response? Or is being a dick on jsp the only thing that makes you feel like you are worth a shit?


Honest response. It doesn't take long at all to kick your little pea-sized hamster into motion and actually tackle this problem on your own. Or, you know, Google the question since clearly nobody has ever asked this question on this or any other forum and had a satisfactory response.
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