stampede is obviously a pve nerf....
troll/10

People still think hunters have been worth playing since the end of wotlk?

some dialogue from the stream of a high level player (see if you can guess which one )

player1-"ok, kill the shaman*!"
...
player2-"he's got cocoon"
player1-"it doesn't matter. kill him!"
both-[celebrates victory]

*it may not have been a shaman that they were attacking. i don't remember exactly.

while i would agree that defensives help, unless it's something like bubble, block, deter, BoP or something else that gives immunity, it's still possible to just burst through it

i heard someone telling a story in another stream (so i'm not sure how accurate it is) about their team breaking a cocoon on a warrior who had wall up and killing him through wall. can't remember who's stream it was though

hareu's just ignorant.. commentating on things he knows nothing about

Youre the one ignorant for saying stampede changed nothing in arenas, stampede was like the biggest burst cooldown on any class, which is now nerfed to a terrible cooldown. There was a reason they nerfed it. G fucking g.

and you're the ignorant one if you think stampede contributes to the vast majority of deaths at higher rating

again, you don't even pvp.. why are you even commenting on this matter?

This post was edited by Cyba on Jun 15 2013 09:25am

stampede sets up a kill in high rated arena.... IF you think its nothing your blind

fact your arguing dmg vrs a pver is stupid. Cause I bet he has spent more time messing with meters and dummys then you. I know if i played with jake I could easly get him 2k cause he knows his class that good.

This post was edited by Katelyn on Jun 16 2013 11:39pm

I hear dummys give you accurate data on how much damage a full resil player is going to take. Both PvEr and PvPer here. Top rogue/priest on my server during Wotlk/Mop. Stampede was nothing but a hassle, the problem was the main pet critting for 50k bites and not being able to kite them. Since the BM hunter has two trinkets and a third to remove roots. I was never worried about the buffs the pets gave because a lot of pvp hunters just got 5 spirit beasts or something dumb and never took advantage of all 5 buffs they could receive. Either way the damage a hunter and his pet do during BM>Stampede. Stampede made players pop a lot of cooldowns instead of kiting and rooting the pets. But now the hunter has even more sustained damage outside of stampede and stampede is still shit. Stampede will normally force a cooldown when paired wit BM/Rapid fire. Outside of that most can heal through it, including Cyba. Take it from someone who did spend the time looking at meters, numbers and target dummies.

Not insulting anyone, but it doesn't matter how much you look at meters at dummys it won't help you in pvp. I clueless about pvp pre-mop and was a top raider, didn't help me any. I'm sure you're all good players.