There's absolutely nothing incredible about finishing 60th in the league in 3pt%. It's called speculate to accumulate. His 3 point shot dropped off in the second half of the season and playoffs, most notably his step-back shot, which was really costing the Rockets offence towards the end.

I'm taking LeBron, Curry and KD as better scorers too. Harden's 22.9 per game on 41% shooting doesn't compare to their 28.9 on 49%, 26.5 on 45% and 29.1 on 47% respectively.

You haven't made a single logical argument about how Harden is a better scorer. You're sticking to one statistic as if it proves your argument, even though Daniel Morey acknowledged that argument is flawed and is countered by other factors.

Jordan scored more, in both the regular season and the playoffs, at a much better fg%. There are numerous players we could cherry pick stats with and compare to Jordan to make an argument they are better in that one category. If we're going by your categorisation of a better scorer then Steve Nash is superior to Harden.

This post was edited by piatek on Aug 23 2019 09:07am

Did I ever say Harden was an elite 3pt shooter? No. He also attempts a league leading amount of threes, many of them far more difficult because he sees more attention than any of the other players you just listed. You see, Harden doesn't have the luxery of playing next to other All-NBA and elite shooters to space the floor. CP3 is washed up and can't even beat his own man barely scoring 15 PPG on 40% shooting from the field.

What makes Harden such a special player is that he's WELL above league average in scoring efficiency while also sporting one of the highest usage rates ever. Usually you give a guy an absurd usage rate, and you see his efficiently drop off but that's not the case with Harden.

And i'm depending on one stat? LOL. Find me ONE STAT that favors Jordan in his comparison against Harden as a scorer? Please. TS%, eFG%, PPS, etc. anything you can pull favors Harden in the overall scoring aspect, he gets it done in a far wider range of ways at a more effective rate.

Speaking of Jordan though, are we just going to ignore the fact that he played next to one of the greatest players of all time while in his prime (a caliber player that Harden doesn't have anyone remotely close to)? The same player that essentially brought the winning to Jordan? Let's not act like Jordan wasn't 1-9 in the playoffs before Pippen came around, or the fact that Jordan had a losing record in all 5 seasons that he didn't have Pippen. Or the fact that the one season Jordan retired, Pippen and the Bulls still won 55 games without Jordan? The Jordan brand has brainwashed so many people into thinking he's untouchable, and he's not. As soon as someone compares something to Jordan people lose their shit like the guy didn't have the absolute best team in the league around him during every title. Yes, he's arguably the GOAT, definitely a top 3 player of all time IMO, but his reputation and legacy has far exceeded his actual playing career at this point.

This post was edited by Sixers on Aug 23 2019 09:24am

And..... Sixers defeated. You really shit the bed on that one. I think we got to the basis of what you really feel and what you are trying to achieve here.

Eric Gordon doesn't exist all of a sudden...

If you come up with an argument about how Jordan, who scored more on better efficiency, is an inferior scorer, we would all love to hear it.

When Harden puts in performances like LeBron and KD etc, then we can talk about how he is the best scorer of his own era, but he hasn't been and currently isn't.


The post which doesn't show what I just challenged you to prove to me? The one Daniel Morey even said is flawed and doesn't show Harden is a better scorer.

I'll wait.

This post was edited by piatek on Aug 23 2019 09:29am

Oh....you mean like the original post in this entire thread?

Oh you mean like scoring 30+ points for 32 consecutive games, the longest steak in the past 55 years.

That kind of performance, or?

Harden has him beat in FT%, that's all you needed to say. That's all it comes down to, the three and FT style. Harden isn't the 1st of this new era and won't be the last. But Jordan scored more on better % shooting, in a worse offence surrounded by less shooters. He did all of this while expending a lot more All-Defensive 1st team effort too.



This post was edited by piatek on Aug 23 2019 09:38am

lol @ using raw FG% to gauge how effective of a scorer Jordan was. What is this the 90's?

Also, reaching for playoff stats? Damn bro, you're going low now. Losing your fight badly so you're dipping into postseason numbers now with smaller sample sizes.


edit: Also, you want to talk about expanding more effort? Look at Harden's usage rate compared to Jordan's. Harden had a whole lot more responsibility and work on his shoulders, and yet he was STILL more efficient as a scorer . #facts

This post was edited by Sixers on Aug 23 2019 09:41am

Yes he played in the 90's, the 2 eras were refereed differently, offences were setup differently, yet Jordan still scored more than Harden on better %. Fouls weren't given for the kind of contact they are today, the style of play was more draining. that's why possessions decreased. I feel like you are very new to watching the league.

Playoff stats isn't reaching, it's the most important and telling part of the league.

Usage rate? Watch the games, it's not energy consuming what he does, he holds the ball in a stationary position for large chunks of the shot-clock, your argument falls apart there.


I have no idea why Sixers is acting like Harden's career is finished, talking as if he had a 4 year career and was only ever at his peak. Let's see what he does scoring-wise when it comes to winning championships and evolving through different team line-us. Let's see if he can put in better scoring performances than LeBron, Curry and KD. Let's see if he can lead the playoffs in scoring, even just once in his life. Let's see if he can win 10 scoring titles while also playing energy draining All-NBA Defensive 1st team effort at the other end too.

This post was edited by piatek on Aug 23 2019 09:51am

K so

Even including Michaels last two years (Remember Michael has also played 15 seasons) Michael is way better

Both have an EFG of .505-.525 - this is literally .2% difference over their entire career. I.E They are the same in this stat. Okay??

Harden highest ever scoring season? 36.1 ppg ---- Michaels????? 37.1

Michael avgs 30.1 or31.5(chicago only) on the same efficiency as Harden whos career avg is 24.3. WITH THE SAME SHOOTING EFFICIENCY.

So Michael was able to get an average of 4 extra buckets per game over Harden.

So if it was harden and Michael on the court against eachother, Michael Jordan would average 8 extra points per game than harden, with virtually the same efficiency.


/thread


Anyone not able to realize the mafk just wants publicity for his shit team that will fall in second round as per the youge is jokesssssssss

This post was edited by Phaggot on Aug 23 2019 09:47am

But he didn't....why are you not comprehending this? Scoring can come from 3pt, 2pt, or FT. Scoring =/= just raw shooting %'s.

Harden posted a 61.6% TS this season, which is higher than any season of Jordan's career. Actually, Harden's TS% the last three seasons has been 61.6%, 61.9% and 61.3% all of which are higher than any season in Jordan's career.

In Jordan's highest scoring season and the only season that he scored more than Harden did this year, he averaged 37.1 PPG and posted a much lower 56.2% TS. Ironically enough, he actually got to the FT line more that season (11.9) than Harden did this season (11.0).

Also, let's compare eFG%? Harden wins there easily too, at any point.

I mean we can keep going, but at the end of the day Harden is a better and more efficient scorer. Better player? No way. But was he a more productive/efficient scorer? Yes.

This post was edited by Sixers on Aug 23 2019 10:00am