ok so vegetables are alright, how about invertebrates and animals with leprocy?

you just end up with the 'are animals conscious' debate again, by the way yes they are just not the the same inner monologue, aware of consciousness, level of human consciousness

dunno are they totally alright - so maybe we should eat more perennial species or smtn
i wouldnt eat invertebrates unless my survival was up to it - id think they feel some sort of pain but its not proven in either way
dunno about leprosy in animals - if its incurable and they will die soon suffering then i think its ~ fair enough to kill them (tho is is safe to eat lerpous animals)

not just conciousness but pain

from animals maybe some insects would feel pain the least (if they do feel any, not sure but some insects probably do)

plants probably have / have some conciousness and share conciousness

This post was edited by BebebBurns on Jul 1 2016 04:27am

It's just most people seem to justify eating/not eating animals based on intelligence but you seem to be doing to based on pain felt. Pretty sure they have methods of killing them painlessly now.

As for planets having consciousness I don't know, i tend to think that there has to be some sort of brain involved but have friends who believe all life is conscious to some extent. Have you seem Through the Wormhole btw, interesting episode about whether the ocean has consciousness.


Anyway gone a bit off-topic my bad, should make a new thread if this carries on, unless we want to talk about if fishing is ethical!

Ok..we're getting off topic. Now, where in the hell are you, Dory?

eh, how about how they are growing up - stucked in small room where they cant act like their species is supposed to...!
have you seen video material / documents about their conditions? brutal - even the most 'humane' factories are Bad
that's why i have much less problem with hunting for example
conciousness is ofcourse almost equally if not more important but since people are eating meat and seems like they dont care about consiousness (pigs and cows are equal to few year old humans ffs) then pain and suffering (caused by living conditions - death too obviously) is pretty damn important!

i made a new thread http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=74698530&f=27

I have not seen it yet but excited to watch it soon.

Ain't this a softporn movie?

Saw it twice in theaters.
Definitely worth watching if you haven't already.

I wanna see it so bad it hurts.