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Quote (noob_whacker @ Jul 6 2016 12:42am)
wow thats alot of them lol

thanks

wish it was able to be sorted by price of router.... lol


Just find routers then cross reference after.
I'm like 100% sure that g one would work and u can grab it off ebay for 20$ with dd-wrt pre loaded.
But if you can find an N model go for it. or buy 2 and have set up as a repeater with dd-wrt.
Then when you leave you have a solid router for next place
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not sure how to setup a repeater?
is it something that boosts the signal? like u have the normal router. and then the repeater in the middle of the house to boost signal?

also whats chances of buying a router with preloaded software, and getting some malicious software preloaded lol? maybe paranoid but id assume its possible and a risk
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setting up a repeater is easy with dd-wrt, theres youtube vids to do it.
yes
ok ghot
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ok i ordered these 2, router was $25 and the modem was $69. with tax was just under $100

my only concern is with the router. i hope it works okay even though its just $25

TP-LINK N450 Wireless Wi-Fi Router, Up to 450Mbps (TL-WR940N) - V3

https://www.amazon.com/TP-LINK-Wireless-Router-450Mbps-TL-WR940N/dp/B003Y5RYNY/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1468177236&sr=1-1&keywords=TP-LINK%20N450%20Wireless%20Wi-Fi%20Router,%20Up%20to%20450Mbps

and

ARRIS SURFboard SB6141 DOCSIS 3.0 Cable Modem - Retail Packaging - White

https://www.amazon.com/ARRIS-SURFboard-SB6141-DOCSIS-Cable/dp/B00AJHDZSI/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1468177242&sr=1-1&keywords=ARRIS%20SURFboard%20SB6141%20DOCSIS%203.0%20Cable%20Modem%20-%20Retail%20Packaging%20-%20White

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i just realized that this router is currently owned by family members:
Cisco-Linksys E1000 Wireless-N Router

think the tp link n450 is any better than this linksys? or is the tp link n450 better? its so hard to find the release dates of these routers also....


also looks like theres a newer model which is the linksys e1200, but cant tell much difference between the 2.

of course just cause theres external antenna doesnt mean its automatically better, but im trying to see the gains on the antenna for each. and the e1000 seems to have 1.5 dBi. but i cant see the dBi for the tp link n450. although i think the tp link n450 has 5 dBi gain on the antenna, and are 3 external anetenna, which with that alone, i think makes it better.

heres some info from google about the e1000 i found

https://www.google.com/shopping/product/8183735951124109234/specs?sclient=psy-ab&biw=1060&bih=1059&q=linksys%20e1000%20release%20date&oq=linksys%20e1000%20release%20date&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.&bvm=bv.126130881,d.cGc&tch=1&ech=1&psi=ccKCV_aHIISOjwOc04KgAg.1468190849831.3&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj32Iji7-nNAhVG0GMKHT4gCwYQuC8IjwE

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Most routers come stock with 1.5 to 3dbi omni directional antennas. There are antennas off ebay you can buy that boasts 9dbi but I don't know if that is true or not, it's probably the Chinese trying to upsell their products.

Also be aware that the higher the gain is the more narrow the beamwidth.



This means that even though it goes further, if you are closer to the router you may in fact get a weaker signal than if you were to use lower DBI antennas depending on your position. Although do note that this is more true with directional antennas than omnidirectional, although higher gain omnidirectional antennas can increase deadspots and make them larger due to how they propagate signals.

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Most routers come stock with 1.5 to 3dbi omni directional antennas. There are antennas off ebay you can buy that boasts 9dbi but I don't know if that is true or not, it's probably the Chinese trying to upsell their products.

Also be aware that the higher the gain is the more narrow the beamwidth.

http://www.radio-electronics.com/images/yagi-radiation-patterns-01.gif

This means that even though it goes further, if you are closer to the router you may in fact get a weaker signal than if you were to use lower DBI antennas depending on your position. Although do note that this is more true with directional antennas than omnidirectional, although higher gain omnidirectional antennas can increase deadspots and make them larger due to how they propagate signals.


wow thanks, interesting. i wasnt aware

theres one desktop thats next to the router but its connected via ethernet to the modem. but another desktop is around 50 to 75 ft away and connected via wifi. should have this all hooked up by this friday, when the tech guy comes out to install their comcast stuff in the electrical box outside.

i think the tp link n450 should be better. since i only get 2 out of the 5 bars on the internet thingy showing from windows 7 internet icon on bottom left of taskbar/toolbar, whatever its called lol. and these shitty bars are from the old router with 1.5 dbi internal antenna.

but my worry is that theres a few walls in the way


abduct maybe ud be more into this sort of thing, but seems beyond complicated for myself. but seems neat lol

http://martybugs.net/wireless/biquad/

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Well thats why i suggested two routers with one as a repeater.
But we won't know till you set up how weak the signal is.

The antenna thing abduct suggested would help a bit though.
But he's right a lot of them are fake, usually the lowest price ones are fake and spend the extra buck on a real one.

@abduct
on a side note my 30cm antenna is real and did run the whole length of the antenna.
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abduct maybe ud be more into this sort of thing, but seems beyond complicated for myself. but seems neat lol

http://martybugs.net/wireless/biquad/


You mean this?

https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=62558106&f=276

If you want wifi throughout your home, you're better off running cat cable from your router/switch and using WAPS. Repeaters cut your bandwidth by half unless they have dual radios.

Quote (King Atrhur @ Jul 10 2016 06:49pm)
Well thats why i suggested two routers with one as a repeater.
But we won't know till you set up how weak the signal is.

The antenna thing abduct suggested would help a bit though.
But he's right a lot of them are fake, usually the lowest price ones are fake and spend the extra buck on a real one.

@abduct
on a side note my 30cm antenna is real and did run the whole length of the antenna.


Well that's one thing that has to do with it, but another problem with buying cheap antennas is that if they are tuned properly and have low SWR. High SWR can blow your radios up, and if they are not in tune you will get shitty signal.

But yea you're right, most cheap ebay antennas are usually crap. I was looking at some panel antennas, one one of them was supposed to be a pcb inside with specific patches of copper designed for resonating at 2.4ghz, but inside it was a shitty tin biquad which wasn't even made properly. The driving element was to large, it wasn't the correct distance from the grounding plain, the ground plain was to small, the driven element was bent to all shit, and the coax wasn't even soldered properly.

So yea you kinda get what you pay for with antennas.



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You mean this?

https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=62558106&f=276

If you want wifi throughout your home, you're better off running cat cable from your router/switch and using WAPS. Repeaters cut your bandwidth by half unless they have dual radios.



Well that's one thing that has to do with it, but another problem with buying cheap antennas is that if they are tuned properly and have low SWR. High SWR can blow your radios up, and if they are not in tune you will get shitty signal.

But yea you're right, most cheap ebay antennas are usually crap. I was looking at some panel antennas, one one of them was supposed to be a pcb inside with specific patches of copper designed for resonating at 2.4ghz, but inside it was a shitty tin biquad which wasn't even made properly. The driving element was to large, it wasn't the correct distance from the grounding plain, the ground plain was to small, the driven element was bent to all shit, and the coax wasn't even soldered properly.

So yea you kinda get what you pay for with antennas.


when u say dual radios. do you mean dual band?

opinions on these? just curious?

TP-LINK AC750 Dual Band Wi-Fi Range Extender

https://www.amazon.com/TP-LINK-AC750-Wi-Fi-Extender-RE200/dp/B00NR2VMNC/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1468206207&sr=8-5&keywords=n300+repeater+dual+band

and same link but the other option on the link

TP-LINK N300 Wi-Fi Range Extender

one is dual band and the other is just regular. also the dual band one seems to be an AC type signal or whatever, but it looks backwards compatible with N devices.

so the dual band range extender shouldnt cut bandwidth in half, but the cheaper one would?


also abduct, what do you mean by, "If you want wifi throughout your home, you're better off running cat cable from your router/switch and using WAPS"
not sure what you mean by that? do you mean to run the cat cable from modem to the router, and have router placed in center of home at an elevated position, away from cordless phones and microwave ovens?

also not sure what WAPS is? ive heard of WPA2 or something like that for encryption?

thanks
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