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I think according to the Bible, and quite frankly, experience, the dead are...well, dead.


No, fiery hell is a story element. It doesn't exit and neither does resurrection.


Ha. Throws Pascal's Wager for a spin, doesn't it? I'd rather be wiped into oblivion than go to heaven anyway.

Being an atheist rules! =D


yes, it is believed that the dead are sleeping and we will all awake on judgement day... so some believe heaven and hell are empty at the moment, apart from God and Satan and angels and things, they are empty but will be filled when we are judged


we will never know


Neither. There is no "hell", and you cannot destroy that which does not exist to begin with.


Do we need a Hell if God can forgive everybody? And He can.


i think that people who go to hell will only be there for a short time, and then they will repent and go to heaven. but the people who don't will be cast into the lake of fire.


One doctrine of devils that has had it's way in today's society with great ease it that of the doctrine that says there is a Hell that lasts for all of eternity and those residing do so in screams of torment. Most take a verse in Revelation chapter 14 out of context and preach a Hell that is a place of eternal torment. Some also take three repeated verses from Mark to proclaim their belief in a worm filled eternal torture chamber. But before discussing these verses, and many other verses that speak of hell. One needs to ask one question of themselves. Do they believe a God that would send His one and only Son to die a torturous and humiliating death would create a place that would be used for TORTURE for ALL eternity? Does the character of God come off as a tyrant who enjoys hearing the screams of people who have decided not to worship Him? Would this sound like a way to "glorify" Him as a loving and giving Father? Or does this sound like a way to de-glorify Him as a mean and unmerciful tyrant?
I pray at this time that you will allow me to share with you some things of God's character as well as His Scripture that PROVE this "doctrine of a devil" is simply a lie to get billions upon billions throughout all of time to "blame" the Almighty and ever living God of all creation for creating such a place and sending them there.

Not long ago I was in a conversation with a person about truth in Scriptures in a Newsgroup on the internet. He promptly told me that God was a tyrant, and a very hate-filled vengeful God. I asked him why he believed that about his Creator. He replied, "Because He SENDS people to hell! I will never worship a God that would send people to such a place like that! A place were people go to be tortured for all of eternity screaming at the top of their lungs for ever!! How can He sit on His throne knowing that while all His "loved ones" are worshipping Him in their happy go lucky Heaven, there are countless BILLIONS in hell at that very moment writhing in a pain that cannot be described?!?!" I assured him that he has fallen for the oldest trick in the book. The devil has painted a picture of the Almighty for him that is the exact opposite of what His Word says He is like. For example. God does NOT send anyone to hell. Nor does He want to. Source(s):http://www.remnantofgod.org/Hellfire.htm


The hell that truly exists, is merely the lack of being in heaven.


That is a really good question and I've never looked at it that way. That's an interesting perspective and I think you could possibly be right. I think my preacher said something to this affect when he was preaching on the apocalypse last month but I didn't really realise what he was saying.


Yes, but not in the way that you write it. I think God will make people's body so strong that the demons can't fully destroy it. you'll just forever be tortured as the body heals itself over and over.


ok this is hard to explain.. souls that dont ask god to come into their heart go to hell... and thats what the first one means.
the second one means that we go to heven until god come back to get all him other followers and take them to heven.. the satan takes over the world and its litertaly hell on earth, then god cmes back and detroys that then its heaven on earth and we live forever with god.
sorry if that was confusing
hope i got through to you


Your taking two verses and trying to make theology from them. there is a hell but it's not forever. The translation used was aion, which means age or ages, not forever. And there are too many verses in the Bible that promise God will abandon no one forever to think that either hell is forever or that God will destroy souls. God is not mean.


Youre on the right path. Read a little further down "But keeping in his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, the home of righteousness" 2 Peter 3:13


Hell is very real and a transition place after death for unbelievers to await the judgement. After the 1000 yr millenial reign of Christ, after His return at the end of the Tribulation, they are judged and send into the Lake of Fire for eternity. Saved believers since Jesus' resurrection immediately go in 'spirit' to heaven to be with the Lord. When the Rapture occurs just before the 7 yr tribulation starts their bodies are resurrected and they join raptured christians in heaven for the marriage with Jesus. Ezekiel mentioning the 'sinner's death, is a reference to the judgement and the second death in the Lake of Fire.


what does the bible say about what a soul is??? A "soul" in the bible means "a living person". It could be a person or animal. "A soul (a person) that sinneth, it shall die.". A "soul" in the bible does not mean what people think it means. It is not a spiritual thing. It doesnt go anywhere after death, because a soul is someone that is living.....

The bible also talks about when in death, the person is dead, no remembrance, cannot praise God, nothing. Unfortunetally, people want to belive that we go somewhere and that eveything is going to be ok when we die and the bible doesnt teach us that at all.

When the bible talks about "asleep in death" , it means that someone is dead, but will raise again when Christ returns, as like if someone was sleeping.
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On a scale of universal proportions, our world is probably quite insubstantial. Depending on your view of things, I suppose. You know, some people think "God has a plan" and such, so they might see this matter differently. Whether or not there is other intelligent life in the universe that's aware of our existence here may be another thing to consider too. Some race may, either now or in the future, have a vested interest in our continuation or destruction. Assuming that nobody here is a high-ranking member of government, such things our really out of our control. If life on earth is going to end in some way, there's not much we can do about it. Right?

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id make a virus that would cover the world insantly, then dangle the cure. cuz slowly the virus would eat at any thing organic, then over time would degrade the health of the subject to the point of limbs falling off.


then id have the cure and dangle it over everyone and laugh, id prolly destroy it or swallow it or hide it in my body. then take a massive amount of the virus making me very infected, and if any one touches or gets near my body they will share the same fate.

oh yea and burning the body would only make the virus grow XD

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The world gets destroyes and recreated with every passing moment.
If you're worried about the Beast, become the beast.

It's better to be eaten by the Old Ones than to live in fear of them.

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One, we as individuals can make things happen. Never doubt your ability to effect the outcome of something!

Two, as fun as murdering the population of the world might sound thats not very productive.

Three, who said I was scared of the Dark? I Like to think about good and evil as my breakfast, lunch and dinner. They are things to be understood and used as necessary, one can't fight your inherent dualism, no?

Although I do believe a balance of sorts can be achieved - and I mean an understanding of what's really right and what's really wrong. A moral code based on understanding your actions for what they are not for the forms that modern society holds so dear.

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well, the virus concept mentioned earlier already exists to an extent, its called the human race, only we are slowly killing ourselves....

If there were to be some sort of population control(?) amongst human kind, perhaps then we could start to talk about balance, but before then we have to figure out how the hell to deal with 6 billion people, and a ravenous greed that engulfs many of them. But if a few members of the human species do survive their own self destruction then this balance may have a chance... unless ofcorse over the progression of time human kind falls back in to the trend we are experiencing today... then this whole damned circus would just be a vicious cycle...

BUT! off my stream of conciousness ramble... If and when an end comes we can rest assured that in the U.S. alone something like 90% of the opoulation is dependant on health care for prolonged survival, then there is the staggering number of humans in developed countries that dont know how to survive with out Mc Donalds, Walmart, and general convinience, say good bye to them if ever survival were to be an issue... In all reality, things will inevitably straghten themselves out, even if it needs to get worse before its better, the earth will cull over population, those that are not fit will die, all we have ever created has come from the earth in some shape or form, and will inevitably return to the earth in another, we have already seen bacteria that are able to metabolize heavy metals, toxic chemicals, we have seen mushrooms that consume plastics and petrolium products, and there are microbes that have been observed breaking down concrete. All that was human achivement will one day be consumed by some of the earths oldest and most superior orgonisms (bacteria/fungi)... No one will even know we were here.

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Saving the world is easier then destroying it cause people like being alive. People are inherently resistent to change (its thw whole fear of the unknown thing all over again folks), the destruction of the world, as it is now, and the beginning of something new and possibly foreign frightens people to death!

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I thought we are doing agood job ourselves about destroying the world.

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on the other hand

man dont start calling people shit like that unless u got a reason, hunterwich is a group of mine unless u know something about it, dont do shit like that.

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Every passing moment sees worlds being destroyed and being reborn all around us. We all know the fate of our world is to be destroyed by our sun in the end - the question is whether or not we will leave the honours up to our provider of light.

As for destroying the world... I'd prefer to take the people of my choice to a new continent raised from the seabed and leave the rest of the world to slowly kill themselves off.
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It's called "Immanentizing the Eschaton" and is actually discussed in Catholic rhetoric and is what politically rabid Fundy Christians are doing when they into cheerleading about the ongoing military scheme to keep the Middle East duly destabilized.

In post-modern magick, the term implies bringing about a new consensus paradigm or new aeon in which magick is empty-handed and where it is recognized that "nothing is true, everything is permitted."
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I play Guild Wars.

As far as destroying the world, I don't think anyone really needs to worry about that. The human race is doing a good enough job of trashing the world already. Don't you just love the smell of carbon monoxide in the morning?

And just think, a really long time ago people used to smell the cedar when they woke up. Cedar, I say!

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personaly im not really scared of the world we live in cuz its all greed and greed can be defeated if done correctly
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It doesn't need to be defeated. Greed will defeat itself if you just sit and wait long enough.

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Wouldn't greed's own self destruction be a sufficient example?

Ok, maybe keeping people from getting hurt might be some motivation, but it could be an educational experience for them. Would you want to keep them from learning a valuable lesson for themselves?
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I play Guild Wars.

As far as destroying the world, I don't think anyone really needs to worry about that. The human race is doing a good enough job of trashing the world already. Don't you just love the smell of carbon monoxide in the morning?

And just think, a really long time ago people used to smell the cedar when they woke up. Cedar, I say!

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personaly im not really scared of the world we live in cuz its all greed and greed can be defeated if done correctly
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It doesn't need to be defeated. Greed will defeat itself if you just sit and wait long enough.

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Wouldn't greed's own self destruction be a sufficient example?

Ok, maybe keeping people from getting hurt might be some motivation, but it could be an educational experience for them. Would you want to keep them from learning a valuable lesson for themselves?

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Quote (rastajesus666 @ Sep 9 2010 07:55pm)
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gtfo faggot or ft5 me
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its a game settle down tiger
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