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Jun 17 2013 08:37pm
can i also promote holding a grief pb and lawbringer pb/azurewrath?

sanctuarys awesome for running chaos and its underrated imo.
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Jun 17 2013 10:16pm
LW pb / Grief PB

You get might, CB, hidden Grief damage, and IAS.

You have to remember that Frenzy increases your attack speed while it is active, so nn dual Griefs. Just get 38+ IAS on your single one and you are good to go because PBs have a high base IAS even when it is white.
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Quote (D2Jomblified @ Jun 18 2013 05:16am)
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You have to remember that Frenzy increases your attack speed while it is active, so nn dual Griefs. Just get 38+ IAS on your single one and you are good to go because PBs have a high base IAS even when it is white.


Level 26 frenzy + Grief PB 38ias + LW PB is only 12 fps (s = swing = 2 attacks).
You need 40% off-weapon ias to reach fastest frenzy attack (10 fps) with this setup.

WW leaves you at 2.5 frames per attack (rather than 2), and no way to reach the last breakpoint.

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LW pb / Grief PB

You get might, CB, hidden Grief damage, and IAS.

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Might : from merc
CB : from helm + boots (what else would you equip than GFace and Gore / Goblin ?)
hidden Grief damage : you have it only on 50% of your attacks (the other 50% is LW attack with a pitiful ~ 150 base damage).
ias : see above

Quote (iRTB @ Jun 17 2013 05:51pm)
which weapons should I use for stict pvm. will be doing ww and frenzy

grief pb + Lastwish PB
grief pb + ebotdcb
Lastwishpb+ebotdcb

ps will have faith bow merc

Does the Crushblow from LW work with ww?
If so wouldn't that be better with the might aura+cb+high raw damage of ebotdcb be better than the +damage from a grief?


Don't go WW and Frenzy. Both deals the same kind of damage (physical). You should choose. Frenzy can take advantage of many synergies (don't waste 20 points into WW).
Don't use faith merc : fanatism damage boost is not huge (+144% at sLvl 15), and you don't really need the attack rate boost. Might + second aura merc is a better choice.

Yes CB from LW works with WW (but LW, given its price, is not a good choice).
+damage from grief is higher than any BotD, except 2-hands BotD.

Look for guides :
- 2-hand Titan WW barb
- frenzy barbs

Good luck !
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Jun 18 2013 07:37am
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Level 26 frenzy + Grief PB 38ias + LW PB is only 12 fps (s = swing = 2 attacks).
You need 40% off-weapon ias to reach fastest frenzy attack (10 fps) with this setup.

WW leaves you at 2.5  frames per attack (rather than 2), and no way to reach the last breakpoint.



Might : from merc
CB : from helm + boots (what else would you equip than GFace and Gore / Goblin ?)
hidden Grief damage : you have it only on 50% of your attacks (the other 50% is LW attack with a pitiful ~ 150 base damage).
ias : see above



Don't go WW and Frenzy. Both deals the same kind of damage (physical). You should choose. Frenzy can take advantage of many synergies (don't waste 20 points into WW).
Don't use faith merc : fanatism damage boost is not huge (+144% at sLvl 15), and you don't really need the attack rate boost. Might + second aura merc is a better choice.

Yes CB from LW works with WW (but LW, given its price, is not a good choice).
+damage from grief is higher than any BotD, except 2-hands BotD.

Look for guides :
- 2-hand Titan WW barb
- frenzy barbs

Good luck !


GOod info thank you.

I am only going to do like 1-5 pts into ww (tops but probably just 1) and of course my war cries are going to be maxed+my mastery..and I'll have zerk against phys immunes..

So you feel the Dual grief pb is the better choice?

And it seems evident that the faith bow merc is out the window lol..for sure going might merc with reapers toll...

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Jun 18 2013 08:23am
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GOod info thank you.

I am only going to do like 1-5 pts into ww (tops but probably just 1) and of course my war cries are going to be maxed+my mastery..and I'll have zerk against phys immunes..

So you feel the Dual grief pb is the better choice?

And it seems evident that the faith bow merc is out the window lol..for sure going might merc with reapers toll...


Yep, dual grief pbs. A great pvm barb guide in my profile. It's worth the read.
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Jun 18 2013 09:10am
Quote (feanur @ Jun 18 2013 08:50am)
Level 26 frenzy + Grief PB 38ias + LW PB is only 12 fps (s = swing = 2 attacks).
You need 40% off-weapon ias to reach fastest frenzy attack (10 fps) with this setup.

WW leaves you at 2.5  frames per attack (rather than 2), and no way to reach the last breakpoint.



Might : from merc
CB : from helm + boots (what else would you equip than GFace and Gore / Goblin ?)
hidden Grief damage : you have it only on 50% of your attacks (the other 50% is LW attack with a pitiful ~ 150 base damage).
ias : see above



Don't go WW and Frenzy. Both deals the same kind of damage (physical). You should choose. Frenzy can take advantage of many synergies (don't waste 20 points into WW).
Don't use faith merc : fanatism damage boost is not huge (+144% at sLvl 15), and you don't really need the attack rate boost. Might + second aura merc is a better choice.

Yes CB from LW works with WW (but LW, given its price, is not a good choice).
+damage from grief is higher than any BotD, except 2-hands BotD.

Look for guides :
- 2-hand Titan WW barb
- frenzy barbs

Good luck !


Which is when you throw on some 20ias/cb/life/res/mf gloves, gold wrap, and a 15ias in helm.
That's how I built mine and he owned at 10fps, and could use a merc with holy freeze
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Jun 18 2013 12:22pm
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Which is when you throw on some 20ias/cb/life/res/mf gloves, gold wrap, and a 15ias in helm.
That's how I built mine and he owned at 10fps, and could use a merc with holy freeze


And lose 350% dmg vs demons, safety and LL from strings (or fcr from arach). Only to be able to use a shitty weapon that deals crappy damage. Awesome plan indeed.
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Jun 18 2013 12:50pm
personally I go deathz and ebotdz for gg ll and both cant be broken so it doesnt cost 1 trilllion dollar

This post was edited by warmou on Jun 18 2013 12:50pm
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Jun 18 2013 12:53pm
Quote (warmou @ 18 Jun 2013 18:50)
personally I go deathz and ebotdz for gg ll and both cant be broken so it doesnt cost 1 trilllion dollar


Grief pb + eDeath CS would be a better setup. I do like edeath alot aswell though. Or you could go dual eDeath ba.

Those are for frenzy barb obviously since they are too slow for ww.

This post was edited by TheBe on Jun 18 2013 12:53pm
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Jun 18 2013 08:47pm
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And lose 350% dmg vs demons, safety and LL from strings (or fcr from arach). Only to be able to use a shitty weapon that deals crappy damage. Awesome plan indeed.


have a raven and a rare LL ring.

you guys obsess over LL TOO much

This post was edited by D2Jomblified on Jun 18 2013 08:47pm
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