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Aug 14 2012 10:28am
Quote (Jawn16 @ Aug 14 2012 11:12am)
hard work and practice

i lol'd

c/t isn't a cheap exploit if you know how to counter it, but clearly you don't know how

csutton does a good job, you should learn from him

c/t isn't a glitch like wsg and requires "hard work and practice" for it not to hinder your performance

ban it b/c you have no counter for it!


sounds like your backing yourself up for not having any zvz skill what so ever. Get rid of the one thing your good at, and your left with a noobie. Like i said before, loose the c/t, or find another ladder or pub games to play in. We are not going to put up with it in here
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Aug 14 2012 01:38pm
Quote (HayzBaby @ Aug 14 2012 11:45am)
Its a different story when regular c/t is just the upper left and right corners. When you've practiced it enough to do it from every corner. Then yes it is a problem. Yes it henders me from countering. Can i counter? Yes. But you find it so entertaining to do it from all corners AND use decoy thatit forces me to a: be defensive and let you come to me or b: i force myself upon you, where yet again you spam that decoy and c/t. I love to dance, if you dont know what that is, this ladder isnt for you. Everyone here can back me up on that. This field of dueling is the hardest of all ladders. And using cheap exploits which you claim are tactics, to win rids everyone of all their hard work from practice.

Cusston is by far the best dueler on this ladder. And when you walts up in here, knock him off first try!? There is so.mething wrong and it is now quite obvious



The above bolded is exactly the problem

A: Player 1 is being incredibly defensive, setting up Decoys and waiting for opportune moments to use C/T (being very careful to not engage unless this situation is primed properly)
Which in turn causes Player 2 or forces Player 2 rather, to also play extremely defensively in the exact same maner, which in turn = stalemate

This turns in to ~>

B: One of the players eventually realizes how ridiculous it is that a single round is taking 20+ minutes to complete and decides to launch an offense
9 out of 10 times, this is the player that will lose the ZvZ match up, which is unfortunate seeing as how this is usually the more experienced player who is trying to keep things on a reasonable time frame ^^




The intentions of a competative ladder such as this, is to be rewarded rank through skill and avarice, not (because you have more time on your hands for over defensing)

C/T doesn't need to be banned, it's not bad to deal with without the Decoy
It's Decoy that needs to be banned
C/Ting while hiding behind the Decoy just plain discourages all offensive strategies from both parties, which = 60+ minute ft5 matches (if both players are really trying to win)
It just needs to stop, Decoy needs to be banned

About Valks: They can't be exploited like Decoys due to recast timer and they don't stand directly in front of you 100% of the time
I have no beef with valks at all

This post was edited by Habakkuk22 on Aug 14 2012 01:46pm
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Aug 14 2012 02:10pm
Quote (HayzBaby @ Aug 14 2012 11:28am)
sounds like your backing yourself up for not having any zvz skill what so ever. Get rid of the one thing your good at, and your left with a noobie. Like i said before, loose the c/t,  or find another ladder or pub games to play in. We are not going to put up with it in here

Quote (Habakkuk22 @ Aug 14 2012 02:38pm)
The above bolded is exactly the problem

A: Player 1 is being incredibly defensive, setting up Decoys and waiting for opportune moments to use C/T (being very careful to not engage unless this situation is primed properly)
Which in turn causes Player 2 or forces Player 2 rather, to also play extremely defensively in the exact same maner, which in turn = stalemate

This turns in to ~>

B: One of the players eventually realizes how ridiculous it is that a single round is taking 20+ minutes to complete and decides to launch an offense
9 out of 10 times, this is the player that will lose the ZvZ match up, which is unfortunate seeing as how this is usually the more experienced player who is trying to keep things on a reasonable time frame ^^




The intentions of a competative ladder such as this, is to be rewarded rank through skill and avarice, not (because you have more time on your hands for over defensing)

C/T doesn't need to be banned, it's not bad to deal with without the Decoy
It's Decoy that needs to be banned
C/Ting while hiding behind the Decoy just plain discourages all offensive strategies from both parties, which = 60+ minute ft5 matches (if both players are really trying to win)
It just needs to stop, Decoy needs to be banned

About Valks: They can't be exploited like Decoys due to recast timer and they don't stand directly in front of you 100% of the time
I have no beef with valks at all



Vouch. Jawn=bk nuggets... ie. gross and worthless.
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Aug 14 2012 02:20pm
Quote (SackShadow @ Aug 14 2012 04:10pm)
Vouch. Jawn=bk nuggets... ie. gross and worthless.


Point of this isn't to insult
It's just to better format matches
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Aug 14 2012 02:57pm
Won vs #9 Habakkuk22

This post was edited by addesmile on Aug 14 2012 03:01pm
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Aug 14 2012 03:15pm
Setting myself to vacation as of now
I'll still be around to update and mediate, just lmk guys


Always check the Currently in Challenge section and don't forget to PM the user about the match!
Interested in joining? Please read the Ladder Rules before signing up! - Check First page!
The life replenish maximum limit has been reduced to 22!
Updated ZvZ Ladder
Vacationing zons are marked with *





1. Warden / ccsutton / *sutton
2. Oats / Guru-PvP / *Guru.
3. GTL / Jawn16 / *HBO
4. Hayz / HayzBaby / *Hayz
5. Adidas / Tupac / *Swag
6. Recipe / LOLRagezzz / *thebestever
7. Arwa / TheBadLuitenant / *oliver.
8. Skittery / crunkinator / *skitzoz
9. Paisley / addesmile / *retaliate.
10. Sparr / Hepzibah / *Hepzibah





Currently in Challenge

7. Arwa / TheBadLuitenant / *oliver. [vs.] 6. Recipe / LOLRagezzz / *thebestever ~ [Aug 18th]
3. GTL / Jawn16 / *HBO [vs.] 4. Hayz / HayzBaby / *Hayz ~ [Aug 17th]
8. Skittery / crunkinator / *skitzoz [vs.] 10. Sparr / Hepzibah / *Hepzibah ~ [Aug 16th]
1. Warden / ccsutton / *sutton [vs.] 2. Oats / Guru-PvP / *Guru. ~ [Aug 16th]





Previous Matches

11. Paisley / addesmile / *retaliate. [vs.] 9. AngryDiana / Habakkuk22 / *Habakkuk ~ [addesmile]
5. Arwa / TheBadLuitenant / *oliver. [vs.] 7. Adidas / Tupac / *Swag ~ [Tupac]
7. AngryDiana / Habakkuk22 / *Habakkuk [vs.] 9. Adidas / Tupac / *Swag ~ [Tupac]
3. GTL / Jawn16 / *HBO [vs.] 5. Arwa / TheBadLuitenant / *oliver. ~ [Jawn16]





Mediators
LOLRagezzz
Habakkuk22
HayzBaby





*Vacationing Zons*
* Arelax
* CainC5
* Habakkuk22
* kasc
* matttieu
* rodpk
* slapo





:hail: US East Softcore NL ZvZ Legends
Full History Of BowaPK's #1 Ranked Defendants

Warden / ccsutton / *sutton [Defended 28x 1st Spot]
Desynch / ronnie17 / *ronnie17 [Defended 8x 1st Spot]
Crits / Arelax / *SScali [Defended 5x 1st Spot]
Shawshank / Guru-PvP / *Guru. [Defended 3x 1st Spot]
xCainx-CV / CainC5 / *CainC5 [Defended 2x 1st Spot]
Ama / BustaNut / *Illusionist [Defended 1x 1st spot]
OtepShamaya / SwanoW / *OtepShamaya [Defended 1x 1st Spot]
GTL / Jawn16 / *HBO [Defended 1x 1st Spot]


This post was edited by Habakkuk22 on Aug 14 2012 03:17pm
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Aug 14 2012 05:54pm
Bleaker/ Volcom-Army / 00apacolypse

Would like to sign up
I play Non Ladder
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Aug 14 2012 05:55pm
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Bleaker/ Volcom-Army / 00apacolypse

Would like to sign up
I play Non Ladder


We'll get you on the next update sir!
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Aug 14 2012 05:58pm
Quote (HayzBaby @ Aug 14 2012 06:55pm)
We'll get you on the next update sir!


Thanks! Fairly new to the zon scene and I just finished my bowa. She needs a ring upgrade but other than that she is finished and fully GM.
Going to read through the rules and such to get a better understanding of how things work around here.

edit/ If anyone wants to practice or have some fun duels, be sure to pm me!

This post was edited by 00apacolypse on Aug 14 2012 05:59pm
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Aug 14 2012 06:00pm
Really this shit again fellas!
Keep that fucking shit in pms!

I dont care who starts it i dont want this shit flooding the ladder again!

Edit: ill be on tonight for my match.

This post was edited by LOLRagezzz on Aug 14 2012 06:04pm
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