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Mar 13 2016 03:41am
Quote (Worrywart @ 13 Mar 2016 00:57)
Doesn't really matter with fw since you can't lose svs with fw


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Mar 13 2016 03:59pm
Quote (Belarathon @ 11 Mar 2016 14:33)
A proper zon will dominate any druid with only one wolf out. Even with wsg banned like it is on euro!
Necros take more skill and a proper setup to win, but with high frw, high spear damage, good kiting and accurate clicking they are more than capable of taking out druids.
Druid is pretty good vs hdins but a libby can easily get them while teleporting, and a good hdin will do alright vs the druid anyways... Only allowing them one wolf is unnecessary here as well!


I'd like to see an amazon or a necro take a round off twinsen under current rules :D

This post was edited by ruedigerpk on Mar 13 2016 04:00pm
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Mar 13 2016 05:11pm
Quote (Avenged123 @ Mar 12 2016 10:01pm)
false, as much as he trolls as someone who sucks he's actually good... most ppl who mod also duel legit... i dont expect most llders to understand it cause half of you guys are 1 dimensional, explains why when a half decent hld plays lld they excel.


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Quote (Worrywart @ Mar 13 2016 02:57am)
Doesn't really matter with fw since you can't lose svs with fw


Jesus fucking Christ Thank you.

Honestly dueling on a fber I'd stomp fbers out on a fwaller.

Nobody believes it but fw can fuck up people SvS with ease. If you're competent in walking that is
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Quote (ruedigerpk @ Mar 13 2016 03:59pm)
I'd like to see an amazon or a necro take a round off twinsen under current rules :D


You will never have a zon like boosted351@jsp on euro.

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Quote (Quicklaunch @ Mar 13 2016 06:29pm)
Jesus fucking Christ Thank you.

Honestly dueling on a fber I'd stomp fbers out on a fwaller.

Nobody believes it but fw can fuck up people SvS with ease. If you're competent in walking that is


As far as I can remember I've never lost svs on mine. Trevor said he would wager me ft5 his fb 25 rep vs my fw 0 rep but then he backed out the next day. Shit's easy yo

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I am disappointed, I was away 4 days expected this to be on page 100..^^


Quote (ruedigerpk @ Mar 13 2016 09:59pm)
I'd like to see an amazon or a necro take a round off twinsen under current rules :D


Are you who I think you are :O Wb

Quote (Quicklaunch @ Mar 13 2016 11:31pm)
You will never have a zon like boosted351@jsp on euro.


There is some good zons on eu which i've dueled.
But with the current eu rules or (last tour rules didnt look whats changed yet. ) it really doesnt matter how flawless the zon plays.
It's more how the dudu plays and if he doesnt make any big mistake its pretty much a free win. However with just allowing kb for zon the m/u would change alot I believe.
But I havent tried it out yet at lld


About your pm ferdi:


Quote (ferdia @ Mar 11 2016 06:22pm)
ok so after that brief off topic (18 pages):

Rules Agreed:
1. Allow 10 repl on Sorc's
2. Tele Staff allowed on Barb and Nec
3. Allow CTC Amp or KB on ama's

Rule Clarifications
1. 75 res if using teleport?
2. no CTC or KB vs FRW Barb & Shapers?

More Rules
1. Ban Shiver/frozen armor ?
2. Allow Bone Prison vs Sorc?
3. Allow tele staff's all characters?

No Change
1. Medi skilled remains banned

if i can get feedback on all that please! (ideally in topic : http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=74089372&f=143&p=501012512#p501012512 )

seperately twinsen, thoughts on no bear, max 1 wolf?



Well I guess I'm fine with whatever rules.
But idk why on euro its typical to dumb down matchups.. to nerf the strong chars rather than to boost the weaker ones? takes away some of the fun sometimes imo :/ obviously not all matchups can be completely balanced.

No bear and max 1 wolf vs what? On dudu vs all chars?

Without summons, telenado is like a slower version of sorc with limited teleports and no block and inferior range.

vs nec I usually ask the nec if he wants me to use grizzly instead of wolves since with wolves I can get away without losing any life with grizzly its more fun for both. 1 wolf would be ok too I guess.
Maybe also allow more frw on nec? idk.

Vs bowa/hdin/barb/charger I cant really play as offensive as I want with 1 wolf and no block.

For bowa like I said I think kb would help alot vs teledudu, it does at hld. Just fury the summons away and quickly swap to bow and nl the druid with ga. Dudu can't stomp you as easily if u kb him plus he will have a harder time to escape to recast.
So allow kb + amp vs teleporting chars? vs any frw chars I think kb on bowa might be a bit lame though

For libby/hdin
I havent tried it enough at lld to judge but 1 pt fana + cbf and smite the druid into your hammerfield when he jumps you maybe? Otherwise with some decent charge dmg you can also upcharge when the dudu jump on you ( When you expect dudu to jump on you precharge up with cursor in the top of the screen in the middle of the screen if its done correctly u will ignore the summons and it should just take a few hits to get a kill. Like any tactic they can be good but should not be overused. If it is a pure hdin with no charge dmg or fana or w/e well I guess.. stack up hammers in a limited open area so druid must recast as much as possible, risky for dudu to recast summons next to you so eventually he'll run out of teleports. Wont work everytime but sometimes.
Can't Think of any eq changes that could help the paladin much.

I remember reading some eu ppl saying teledudu was not even that good at 30 like 1-2 years ago, which convinced me to make one cus I knew it would be strong. But now I read they must be nerfed cus some players say its op and #1 build ^^
Well I would agree they are in the top 5 though overall at least in 1v1.
But I would also love to duel other 30 druids with any other class 1vs1 or in tvt. Also normally thats a fair way to figure out rules, no? Not just to make rules from 1 POV.




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Mar 14 2016 05:19am
Quote (Twinsen @ Mar 14 2016 11:09am)
But I would also love to duel other 30 druids with any other class 1vs1 or in tvt. Also normally thats a fair way to figure out rules, no? Not just to make rules from 1 POV.


I can duel you on my windy whenever you like. I'm awful on it though. I don't find it too easy to handle :/

More generally, just because Twinsen 5-0s everybody on it isn't an excuse to nerf the char. He would do the same on most of his guys.

Its not as if the build is even that common on EU anyways.

This post was edited by bonnerf2 on Mar 14 2016 05:28am
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Mar 14 2016 07:02am
Tele staffs were always banned on lvl 30 druids however they allowed this for yours twinsen. They must like you more then me and Jim, as our old ones were not allowed this and we had to have a Shit ton of frw. Tbh the chars did fine but kinda chanceless vs a bowie ofc.
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Quote (bonnerf2 @ Mar 14 2016 11:19am)
I can duel you on my windy whenever you like. I'm awful on it though. I don't find it too easy to handle :/

More generally, just because Twinsen 5-0s everybody on it isn't an excuse to nerf the char. He would do the same on most of his guys.

Its not as if the build is even that common on EU anyways.


I know you will :hail:


Quote (chum @ Mar 14 2016 01:02pm)
Tele staffs were always banned on lvl 30 druids however they allowed this for yours twinsen. They must like you more then me and Jim, as our old ones were not allowed this and we had to have a Shit ton of frw. Tbh the chars did fine but kinda chanceless vs a bowie ofc.


No? They didnt allow it specifically for mine lol, it was allowed quite long before I made it. It took a while to find all gear and I would never buy tele staffs if it was not allowed already.
Well alot of things that worked back then don't work today.
It's not rocket science any char with decent range can beat frw nado fairly easy and max frw allowed is 100 anyway. Vs melee's, tele is not necessary though.




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