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Dec 16 2010 05:57am
Quote (moonhammer @ 16 Dec 2010 13:53)
I find all this difficult ruling with chargers pretty awkward to be honest. By my knowledge I was the only charger on euscnl playing in tours/tvts and for one char we keep going in to such depts of discussion while replenish without hardpoints in medi/prayer will be the LEAST of your concerns with my offensive playstyle and massive dmg...

Strongly considering just dumping the char instead of constantly remodelling it for the sake of someone else's peace of mind.


there are plenty of chargers and libbies now
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Quote (moonhammer @ 16 Dec 2010 13:53)
I find all this difficult ruling with chargers pretty awkward to be honest. By my knowledge I was the only charger on euscnl playing in tours/tvts and for one char we keep going in to such depts of discussion while replenish without hardpoints in medi/prayer will be the LEAST of your concerns with my offensive playstyle and massive dmg...

Strongly considering just dumping the char instead of constantly remodelling it for the sake of someone else's peace of mind.


rules arent made for single characters. at least they shouldnt be. not sure why you seem to see it like that. Even if there were no chargers we'd still have to have rules that take them into account.
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Dec 16 2010 05:59am
Quote (Perserker[PvP] @ 16 Dec 2010 12:57)
there are plenty of chargers and libbies now


I'm not talking about libb's, that's a totally different char.

Let there be 10 chargers (exaggerating for argument's sake). Does the 10 repl (10/256*25=±1 life per second) make the difference with a char that needs to get in your face to hit?

I've never seen this problem, and I've never faced the problem while duelling other chargers.


Quote (Matroskin @ 16 Dec 2010 12:57)
rules arent made for single characters. at least they shouldnt be. not sure why you seem to see it like that. Even if there were no chargers we'd still have to have rules that take them into account.


Well, we're talking char specific here, atleast pala specific. There where a hdin charges off leaving hammers everywhere, I have to be on you in order to do dmg. There is no use for me to stay xxx screens away since a charger can't do shit there. I'm getting the repl issue, just not the part about nerving a charger as hard as a libb/hdin.

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Dec 16 2010 06:02am
there were really that issues about rep life in the tour? To mee that 15-22 rep life rule from before seemed nice tbh.

ps: Will have to get worse gloves and amu for my psn zon ssicne using 12 rep lfie peasant on both items have more than 3 rep life each :/

ps2: No rep life limit in tvt btw no? If some1 is left and defwhores cuz imba rep, his team loses. ez
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Dec 16 2010 06:05am
Quote (Matroskin @ Dec 16 2010 12:40pm)
Strategic playin as opposed to just running away to reple/regen are two different things and while in practice nearly impossible for a ref to distinguish, honor system should take care of it. im gna assume defwhoring here means aimless running to rep/reg.
The problem i see with reducing reple to decrease defwhoring is that you accept defwhoring as a legit way of playing when it USED TO be on honour system that ppl didnt do it. With a rule ppl would defwhore like no tomorrow and legitimize it by saying the rules prevent defwhoring, thus im not really doin it. It might actually INCREASE it.

But yea all this assumes ppl are actually gm and not hld/mld naps.

@ferdia:
nice way to negate other ppl's arguments without actually countering any of their arguments. Way to have a conversation.
Also, are you implying that we should make lld more like mld/hld?


not sure what you are referring to here.
1. i stated that rep life is a bigger advantage @ lld then it is @ mld or HLD
2. i echoed suggests by other users to reduce the replenish life @30
3. reducing replenish life means that the duels won't stalemate and it will become more evident as to who is deffing and who is not.
4. im not sure what you mean by your closing statement since i already highlighted the difference in % damage dealt per attack. However if your comment is in relation to joost's post, i would agree with him.

reading your post im getting the impression that you see no issues with the current replenish life. why don't you just say that without disecting my post for perceived slights or attacks on the bible of 30.

users have expressed concerns on replenish life, i simply agreed with them, if you have an issue, take it up with them in this topic.

my last post in this thread.

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there were really that issues about rep life in the tour? To mee that 15-22 rep life rule from before seemed nice tbh.

ps: Will have to get worse gloves and amu for my psn zon ssicne using 12 rep lfie peasant on both items have more than 3 rep life each :/

ps2: No rep life limit in tvt btw no? If some1 is left and defwhores cuz imba rep, his team loses. ez


imo 15 life repl is plenty for psn zon. if you have 5 rep gloves you can just use 10 rep peasant or duskshroud.
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Quote (ferdia @ 16 Dec 2010 14:05)
not sure what you are referring to here.
1. i stated that rep life is a bigger advantage @ lld then it is @ mld or HLD
2. i echoed suggests by other users to reduce the replenish life @30
3. reducing replenish life means that the duels won't stalemate and it will become more evident as to who is deffing and who is not.
4. im not sure what you mean by your closing statement since i already highlighted the difference in % damage dealt per attack. However if your comment is in relation to joost's post, i would agree with him.

reading your post im getting the impression that you see no issues with the current replenish life. why don't you just say that without disecting my post for perceived slights or attacks on the bible of 30.


he's saying that with the current rules, ppl with honor won't defwhore because there's no real rule against it, just your own honor who stands again defwhoring.
if there's an exact rule and you can still somehow defwhore without breaking the rule, they have the excuse that they didn't break any rule thus they don't defwhore.
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Dec 16 2010 06:13am
Quote (ferdia @ 16 Dec 2010 14:05)
not sure what you are referring to here.
1. i stated that rep life is a bigger advantage @ lld then it is @ mld or HLD
2. i echoed suggests by other users to reduce the replenish life @30
3. reducing replenish life means that the duels won't stalemate and it will become more evident as to who is deffing and who is not.
4. im not sure what you mean by your closing statement since i already highlighted the difference in % damage dealt per attack. However if your comment is in relation to joost's post, i would agree with him.

reading your post im getting the impression that you see no issues with the current replenish life. why don't you just say that without disecting my post for perceived slights or attacks on the bible of 30.


i didnt understand much of that post, maybe my english skills are lacking. the question i asked was a honest one, no hidden agenda. Just wanted to know where you think lld should go.

why i dont just say my opinion on the matter? Because opinion without anything to back it up is worthless. And we are trying to have a conversation here.

You saying that ppl use this to vent is saying that their arguments are worthless, thats very rude and not at all constructive. "Its just crazy ppl rantin'"
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Dec 16 2010 06:23am
Quote (moonhammer @ 16 Dec 2010 13:59)
I'm getting the repl issue, just not the part about nerving a charger as hard as a libb/hdin.


yy im not really for nerfing chargers but im not for buffing them either which is what would obv happen if all other chars got nerfed.

sry for double

This post was edited by Matroskin on Dec 16 2010 06:23am
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Dec 16 2010 07:26am
Matro: "Also, are you implying that we should make lld more like mld/hld?"

I honestly do not know what your question is referring to here. describe the MLD/HLD features that you are referring to. If you are referring to the fact that we need rules for tournaments then yes, I would say that lld needs to have rules like in mld and hld, to prevent abuse or bm behaviour.

This post was edited by ferdia on Dec 16 2010 07:31am
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