Quote (ferdia @ Dec 18 2017 03:51pm)

see my edit :)

There was a 2nd Amp bow recently i saw. no idea who got it. The point is those rules are favouring the itemlamer, when the tournaments should give people a "relatively" equal oppertunity to win.
If 2 Bowa's are dueling and 1 has 10 repl and the other has 25, and both are of the same skill, the one with 25 will win more duels. the community is not big enough any more for new players to catch up "i.e. ability to find those insane items in this day and age".
The same applies to Amp Bows.

Note: No Bowa has won a 30 tournament on EU.

I think boosted had that insane ed circlet for his bowa. i was very jealous.

Quote (ferdia @ Dec 18 2017 04:11pm)

They already mentioned. i dont care about names, if its all one realm, fantastic.
Sorc 24
Druid (except fissure) 24
discuss.

bowa frw capped, no str bug for bowa.

this is all 18.

Quote (ferdia @ Dec 18 2017 10:11pm)

They already mentioned. i dont care about names, if its all one realm, fantastic.
Sorc 24
Druid (except fissure) 24
discuss.

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Quote (bonnerf2 @ Dec 18 2017 11:37am)

First point - wholesale changes to bowas and paladins will not work. You would kill off a lot of interest. Also, Ive always thought of 18s as more of a fun TvT bracket that didn't have the competitive edge of 30s or 49s (and didnt have as many of the falling outs either).

On tournament winners - Can't speak for mr_n1 and his wins, but Sa_Se winning 3 on the trot is not surprising. Great player on a very strong class with the realms best setup. Give that to Twinsen on a ESFB @ lvl30 and you would have the same result for example. I don't recall a lot of strong zeal/charge in there either which would be the biggest killer of a bowa too. Riox was very close with a 5-4 in the last tour perhaps? My thought - I wouldn't use this solely as the basis for rule changes.

On amazons - 50frw and no bugged frw and you could possibly move assassins up to #2 class perhaps. I know tiger strikers for example were near impossible for me without bugged frw and 71frw. The bugged frw is more of an issue than the total amount though. 7frw gc is up to 45 life lost, a big chunk of a bowa at 18. My thought - if you are to tweak, try removing str bugged cthons first (maybe cthons entirely if must as the stamina is a huge part of beating assassins too).

On paladins - this is where most of the chit chat has been in recent 18 rule discussions. Its a toss up between the current no charging with might/conc and allow 1pt might & charge but allow charging with aura. My build is a 1pt charge 1pt might build (with no aura - it doesnt add much damage with 1 pt) and I kill most chars pretty easily on a standard setup. Gets ~1k zeal and 1k charge with 50% ds. [PRO]doesnt require gear changes to try, just a token. Means pala/pala and pala/bowa teams in tvt are not so op as the might provided is much lower. [CON] Arguments against this are that 1pt charge/might can wreak havoc on libbys and smiters charge damage (libby and smiters are essentially weak chargers to begin) although they dont have the same up front damage. Also allowing no charge with aura is easy to monitor and also lets you read paladins charge easier when you see the aura switched off. Paladins will complain their charge has been nerfed too much. Imo this will mean bowas pick up more rounds off chargers (but no str bug on bowa might mean they lose more to assassins in turn). My thought - try 1pt zeal & charge on zealots.

On 24s - May need practice and tweaking, but [PRO] should improve build diversity a lot at least for casters. [CON] May end up with chars that are very tanky (60life rolls on gear for example) in a bracket where the damage to life ratio is low on most chars. Attack rating could come into play especially if people go for 40def jewels. Charms could be op on some builds (e.g. 3max 15life scs, 15life 12mana scs) - possibly only allow level18 inventory could help. My thoughts - easiest rule change would be to allow sorcs and druids to lvl24 but only with a lvl18 inventory/jewels.

Closing points: Fewer rules is better than too many rules. Tokens are better than gear changes. TvT is better than 1v1 and is what 18s has mostly been about and is exactly where you see the build variety (e.g. I love my fire bow pala in tvt but would never dream of it for a tour).

/e Or we could try a tour with no zealots or bowas. Most active people in the last tour have an alt char, or could get access to one.

Quote (bonnerf2 @ Dec 18 2017 04:00pm)

3 - I beat James' charger with my ranger.

#neverforget

Quote (bonnerf2 @ Dec 18 2017 05:52pm)

Lets just test it in some fun tvts. Probably premature worrying about it until its tried a bit.

PS - 18 fireball sorcs can be awesome in tvt.

/e James, they still do more melee and more ranged damage than any other class with that setup. Happy to duel any other pala with mine :)

Quote (bonnerf2 @ Dec 18 2017 04:52pm)

Lets just test it in some fun tvts. Probably premature worrying about it until its tried a bit.

PS - 18 fireball sorcs can be awesome in tvt.

/e James, they still do more melee and more ranged damage than any other class with that setup. Happy to duel any other pala with mine :)

Quote (thesnipa @ Dec 18 2017 05:56pm)

LAMARA is building a 24 nado dudu last i checked!

sorcs u have 1-2 of those as well dont u?

Quote (Riox @ Dec 18 2017 04:58pm)

east is dead now snipa
time to move euro