please don't waste that on a kicker

Well, kicker/hybrid is what I'm building currently Any better suggestions on what to use it for?

20/60/6/9 is perf, and the optimal jewel for a ww barb as well as a kicker, but the amount of hp/dmg gained on a kicker using that vs what a barb gains is a lot more in favor of the barb. you can get nearly the same results on a kicker using plain stat jewels, tbh. the damage gain is virtually nil, so its essentially a stat/ar jewel. On a barb though, it would be roughly equivalent to using a 20-22 max jewel in addition to the stats (at 4 hp per point + BO)

This post was edited by bigspot_05 on Jun 30 2012 07:47pm

Well put. You must admit though, using it for a kicker is far more ideal than the sorc orb I told EWiz I was putting it in Fact remains that it's optimal for both, just a matter of whose got the cheese, besides, it will likely end up in a 3/80 MP that could be used on barb anyway, so don't feel like it's a total waste

You want maxers in your MP so you can run ed/stat in your helm and shield, then be able to swap the plate over to a zon if need be

also, ed/stat in a MP only works if you never want to use an ornate

Never liked melee duels, so npz there I'm still a ways away from actually using the jewel, since I'd need at least 1-2 more like it to do anything worthwhile.

I've got to say, LLD has really gone to shit as far as class/spec viability due to a totally neglected ruleset and I'm horribly disappointed that it's become HLD-mini. LLD used to be balanced well enough that well built inventive builds could actually do well in the hands of a skilled player since it was all balanced based on class and sometimes spec. Blizzard doesn't balance the game for LLD, so the players should take some responsibility within the community to help it reach beyond the grasp of the dreaded cookie cutter.

The fact that someone, who will remain nameless but easily guessed, PM'd me asking me not to use an optimal item for my character because a cookie cutter build could use it "better" was downright offensive to me after what I worked on for years to build within this community. LLD was always a place for trying out new builds and finding ways to make things work; giving unique builds that couldn't survive in the cookie cutter world of HLD a place to flourish because players actually stepped up and did the balancing that blizzard sucks dick at. Where duels were won based on a players ability to adapt and change tactics since you would always be facing something new (or at least enough of a variety to keep you on your toes) rather than one of 5 copy&paste builds. Sure, the game doesn't seem as flexible to these concepts anymore, but it never was... it was the players who made it so that it could be.

Even attitudes within the community have changed for the worse. It's rare that I see a LLD game where more players are GM than BM; Where players care about the quality and thrill of the fight more than collecting another ear. Players mocking and BM'ing other, new low levels who come into the games rather than offering advice and a helping hand only discourage more people from getting into LLD. That is how the LLD community grew to what it was, and that's how players like myself got njag to create this forum in the first place.

I can't express how disappointed I am that LLD has strayed so far from its roots, and that nobody has cared enough to uphold what made LLD great in the first place, because this certainly isn't what was intended. I'm glad more veteran's aren't around to see this sad state of affairs, though I'm sure some stuck around longer into 1.10 than I did and saw the gradual breaking down of the tenets that built this place up from the ground. Now look at how few of them there are left. I know some, such as Hellskin and Breakbeatz, tried to keep this place going in the right direction as long as possible and their efforts are most appreciated but somewhere along the lines things got out of hand and trampled underfoot.

If you feel that way, why are you spamming the stickied TR thread? Same kind of behavior you seem to be preaching against, imo. Make a thread and you can have a discussion about it with whoever you want to, it doesn't need to be in here though.

Telling someone how and how not to use something doesn't qualify as spam then? Clearly doesn't need to be in here, nor my PM box, though I know that wasn't you. If you honestly believe that my previous post qualifies as the same behaviour I spoke out against, maybe you should give it another read, though I do agree it would be better suited for another thread, it was behaviour that originated in this thread that was the catalyst for it.

hello everyone! new here to LLD, was looking for any pointers or tips on making my first LLD, still debating on a class and etc, if anyone cares to help a newly LLD enthusiast! PM me or something and etc, im excited to take on a new realm of awesomeness! thanks and cant wait to meet yall! -later days

Youre posting in the wrong thread, this is trophy screenshot/discussion thread.

You will get torn to pieces by the lld e-bullies who are usually mean to newcomers, reacting to the most minor infractions with vitriol typically reserved for war criminals and sex offenders.

Read the stickies, you will find much critical info there, and tread lightly, lest ye provoke undue wrath.