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Jan 4 2013 04:19am
Someone asked me how i'd gear a WW barb with a 400m budget so I made this, enjoy! :)

feel free to question me why I chose to build it the way I did

I am personally an IK belt fan, only on a higher budget would I recommend witching hour I think, its too glass cannon imo and requires you to get lifesteal on your mainhand weapon..


This will hit 2.5/2.5 APS breakpoints, be using echo as offhand for less fear procs, and have cold soj to help with fear.

you need 33-35 ias (depending on +attacks/sec from echoing fury) from gear to hit the breakpoints. so make sure you hit it (watch those 8% ias items, you really want perfect 9's)



i'd go for this:

mempo without crit with 170+str can get either vita or a single resist (physical/fire) on it as well but dont rely on it as ideally you want a crit chance mempo

lacuni with crit , str, vita is nice :) (possibly with a single res physical/fire roll)

ammy:60+CHD,7.5+CC, STR, VITA(not needed but nice), rest is bonus, good +xx-xx damage roll would be AWESOME and you should really try for it.. giving up vita for it possibly, dont get IAS here, spend a decent amount on this its a big part of your dps

shoulders:vile wards.. dont need to spend too much.. higher str and vita.. or possibly some rares with vita and %life

IK chest, try to get decently high vita but dont spend too much

(weapons are where u should spent a good chunk of ur gold) mainhand (make sure its black or physical damage):dual crit, and highest avg dmg u can get, dont worry bout str so much (it is nice. but raw dmg more important) on mainhand unless you find a good one, avg dmg is more important, and dont need lifesteal either

offhand: echo (at least +.23 attacks/sec) preferably dual crit but i dont kno what the cheap ones go for.. if u cant afford just a socket will do.. dps doesnt matter much (900+)

IK belt, preferably with some vita, highish str, if you can get one with frenzy or bash whichever you use for cheap go for it

ring 1: cold damage soj doesnt even need to be a barb one.. can be cheap but the elites % does add a lot of dmg

ring 2: str, avg dmg, 4+CC, 8+IAS, CHD is bonus (big dps item, not as much as ammy, can spend quite a bit here too)

boots: tricky.. you want movespeed on boot slot or innas pants and i dont recommend innas really unless you have a good pair which are expensive.. and ice climbers are ideal but movespeed ones are too expensive
so for boots.. get something with str/vita/movespeed/all resist... possibly IK boots? or similar

pants: 2 socket, 150+vita, 60-70+all resist, highest str you can afford

gloves: 8+IAS, 7.5+CC, STR, CHD and vita,res are bonus - can get pricy so be careful but spent a decent amount here too


this will leave you with around 500-560 (with fire/physical being higher possibly) (depending on if gloves have resist and single res on items) unbuffed resists, great armor, and lots of EFFECTIVE DPS (screw paper dps!) with WW build

you can use overpower (I prefer killing spree but also crushing advance if you want) instead of warcry for lower mps, but stick with warcry in higher ones

use bloodthirst passive so you have near 6% lifesteal



NOW, how I would gear a 4m budget barb : http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=65865553&f=142

so if your budget is between these two pretty extremes.. then hopefully you can see which direction you should go in, keeping in mind the lower your DPS is the less effective lifesteal is and you may need more or to add in some LOH also, I have done a lot of barb theorycrafting and can say with a lot of confidence this would be the ideal way to build a barb, maximizing every item slot to its fullest

IAS is extremely important make sure you hit good breakpoints!


This post was edited by Tboner on Jan 4 2013 04:49am
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Jan 4 2013 04:24am
Awesome thank you Tboner :)
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Quote (jspnoobie5 @ Jan 4 2013 03:24am)
Awesome thank you Tboner :)


np

the mainhand weapon should be a MACE forgot to put that
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Jan 4 2013 05:14am
hell yeah this is how u gear a barb.. great job..
why should MH be a mace? iknow it would be same speed as EF and aps wouldent change each hit, but does it matter? i wanna try a EF but i have axe MH

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Quote (Haj @ Jan 4 2013 01:14pm)
why should MH be a mace? iknow it would be same speed as EF and aps wouldent change each hit, but does it matter? i wanna try a EF but i have axe MH


High DPS with low APS => Very high damage

You want that on your Mainhand for effective Rltw DPS
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Jan 4 2013 06:13am
just a few comments.

1. with 33-35 ias u wont get 2.5aps unless in WOTB. i have 44ias and reach 2.27aps w/o WOTB atm.

2. as for shoulders, good vile wards are very expensive. primary stats that you are looking for are allres, str and vit. extra armor and life regen are a nice bonus but you can do well without them. on europe you can find 220str/150+vit 60@ ones starting at 20-25mil.

3. offhand. dps on EF is the last thing you are looking for. u want very high CD and sock, b/c it will boost your nado damage from mainhand (and as has been tested about 70% of your damage comes from nados).
u can get 750ish dps intelligence ones with 90CD+ and sock for 20-30mil+. strength EF is very expensive, usually 2-3 times more expensive than intelligence ones.

everything else you said is quite correct and i also think that IK belt build is more solid one (if you can afford good IK belt and good gloves) than witching hour one i am currently using.
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Jan 4 2013 07:50am
@eschaton

well actually you keep WOTB permanent up - so the other breakpoints are not of interest...

This post was edited by pepe030 on Jan 4 2013 07:50am
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Jan 4 2013 09:25am
Actually, as cool as it is with an echoing fury in offhand for the +aps bonus, i think you can get a much cheaper build with a nice statstick dagger in offhand. I will list the items on my char together with their prices and will give you my true dps (tDPS) score from d3rawr.com.

- First of all, when you have a 1.20 mace in mainhand and a 1.50 dagger in offhand, all the attack speed you need to stack for a nice breakpoint is 24 (with enchantress buff) or 27. That means 3 items with 8-9as each. This means you just need a lacunis, inna pants and a witching hour. This is cheap except for the witching hour, but because you don't need any other attack speed items, in total you will spend much less.
- You can use the ik helm, ik gloves together with the almost mandatory ik chest to get a whopping %14-16 melee damage reduction. This is a stat usually undervalued by players.
- Since you don't need AS on gloves, helm, amulet or rings, you can maximize the cc on these items for much cheaper. 10cc gloves, 6cc helm, 10cc amulet, 6cc rings are not expensive together with one or two of some allres, average damage, vit, etc.
- Since you choose not to use an echoing fury in offhand, you can get a statstick dagger for very low prices. A dagger with 250str, 100vit, 60crit, ls and socket is perfect and cheap.
- The thing about not using EF in offhand is that you will have a relatively low on screen dps (%10-15 lower), but don't worry. Your true dps and effective health will be around %20-30 higher with a nice statstick.
- The breakpoints you reach with this setup is 2.00/2.50 for MH/OH in berserk mode.

Here are my items, most of them are selffound so i listed their approximate values:

http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/AM0K-2754/hero/993510

- IK Helm: 25m (selffound)
- Vile Ward: 45m (selffound)
- IK Chest: 150m (selffond)
- Witching Hour: 100m (selffound)
- Lacunis: 20m (selffound)
- Inna Pants: 25m (selffound)
- Ice Climbers: 25m (selffound)
- IK Gloves: 45m
- Helffire ring: free :)
- Rare Ring: 15m
- Rare Amulet: 55m
- Mainhand Mace: 30m
- Offhand Dagger: 15m
TOTAL: 550m

Note that you can lower the vit on ik armor to get it for 100m cheaper and you can also lower the attack speeds (cause you can hit the same breakpoints with 8as each) on witching, lacunis and inna pants to get them for %25-30 cheaper prices. This means that you can do a similarly effective char for 400m, easily.

My char has 6000+ Armor, 600+ Allres, 50k HP, 170k DPS, 59cc, 5.9ls, 16 melee damage reduction. tDPS is over 1.4m according to d3rawr.com.

NOTE: This char can do mp10 without any deaths (never died in 20-30 runs) with the Overpower: Crushing Advance rune and an Amethyst in Helm. If i use a 30elites/6cold soj (worth 3-4m) in place of my Hellfire ring, I can kill Azmodan in 60 seconds. Without soj it takes like 75 seconds.

I don't think you can make a mp10 farming (at least with this much true dps and effective hp, all in all Battle Efficiency Score) WW barb for these prices if you go for the Echoing Fury in offhand route.

This post was edited by amok on Jan 4 2013 09:47am
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nice guide!

i've read your other guide as well, and here is what i got so far: http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Saxen-2282/hero/7427933

my next upgrade is ik chest, or what do u think? (gems is pretty obvious that i need to upgd, but want to do that last)

i don't got that much igg to spend atm, and i'm waiting on an ias-roll on the hellfire to change my amu. or do you have any other thoughts? anything that looks rly weird?

what do you think about my mh, should i try to sell it and buy one with "raw" dmg instead? guess it will be more expensive and i wont have a wep for a few days then i guess. or is the advantage of the raw dmg that great so i should buy a cheaper wep w/o cd instead of my current?

when i'm ding ubers on higher mp i change the hellfire vs a ring with res, vita, cc, cd and a socket

thx in advance, and thx for your great guides!
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Jan 4 2013 10:05am
Quote (amok @ 4 Jan 2013 17:25)
Actually, as cool as it is with an echoing fury in offhand for the +aps bonus, i think you can get a much cheaper build with a nice statstick dagger in offhand. I will list the items on my char together with their prices and will give you my true dps (tDPS) score from d3rawr.com.

- First of all, when you have a 1.20 mace in mainhand and a 1.50 dagger in offhand, all the attack speed you need to stack for a nice breakpoint is 24 (with enchantress buff) or 27. That means 3 items with 8-9as each. This means you just need a lacunis, inna pants and a witching hour. This is cheap except for the witching hour, but because you don't need any other attack speed items, in total you will spend much less.
- You can use the ik helm, ik gloves together with the almost mandatory ik chest to get a whopping %14-16 melee damage reduction. This is a stat usually undervalued by players.
- Since you don't need AS on gloves, helm, amulet or rings, you can maximize the cc on these items for much cheaper. 10cc gloves, 6cc helm, 10cc amulet, 6cc rings are not expensive together with one or two of some allres, average damage, vit, etc.
- Since you choose not to use an echoing fury in offhand, you can get a statstick dagger for very low prices. A dagger with 250str, 100vit, 60crit, ls and socket is perfect and cheap.
- The thing about not using EF in offhand is that you will have a relatively low on screen dps (%10-15 lower), but don't worry. Your true dps and effective health will be around %20-30 higher with a nice statstick.
- The breakpoints you reach with this setup is 2.00/2.50 for MH/OH in berserk mode.

Here are my items, most of them are selffound so i listed their approximate values:

http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/AM0K-2754/hero/993510

- IK Helm: 25m (selffound)
- Vile Ward: 45m (selffound)
- IK Chest: 150m (selffond)
- Witching Hour: 100m (selffound)
- Lacunis: 20m (selffound)
- Inna Pants: 25m (selffound)
- Ice Climbers: 25m (selffound)
- IK Gloves: 45m
- Helffire ring: free :)
- Rare Ring: 15m
- Rare Amulet: 55m
- Mainhand Mace: 30m
- Offhand Dagger: 15m
TOTAL: 550m

Note that you can lower the vit on ik armor to get it for 100m cheaper and you can also lower the attack speeds (cause you can hit the same breakpoints with 8as each) on witching, lacunis and inna pants to get them for %25-30 cheaper prices. This means that you can do a similarly effective char for 400m, easily.

My char has 6000+ Armor, 600+ Allres, 50k HP, 170k DPS, 59cc, 5.9ls, 16 melee damage reduction. tDPS is over 1.4m according to d3rawr.com.

NOTE: This char can do mp10 without any deaths (never died in 20-30 runs) with the Overpower: Crushing Advance rune and an Amethyst in Helm. If i use a 30elites/6cold soj (worth 3-4m) in place of my Hellfire ring, I can kill Azmodan in 60 seconds. Without soj it takes like 75 seconds.

I don't think you can make a mp10 farming (at least with this much true dps and effective hp, all in all Battle Efficiency Score) WW barb for these prices if you go for the Echoing Fury in offhand route.


Of course the stats i gave are unbuffed (with passives) and the tDPS i gave is fully buffed.
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