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Jul 9 2012 08:54pm
Quote (nekrotic @ Jul 9 2012 10:41pm)
where in my writting I talk about Mary as a God ? I never said that. I say and its true that if you pray God through Mary's heart, you will find peace and salvation
There is nothing about Idol in here. So stop LOL and find a better quote ;)



Matthew 6:9
New Living Translation (NLT)
9 Pray like this: Our Father in heaven, may your name be kept holy.


John 14:13-14

Amplified Bible (AMP)
13 And I will do [I Myself will grant] whatever you ask in My Name [as [a]presenting all that I Am], so that the Father may be glorified and extolled in (through) the Son.
14 [Yes] I will grant [I Myself will do for you] whatever you shall ask in My Name [as [b]presenting all that I Am].

Notice it says nothing about asking in Mary's name.

Ephesians 3:14
Amplified Bible (AMP)
14 For this reason [[a]seeing the greatness of this plan by which you are built together in Christ], I bow my knees before the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,


Ephesians 6:18
Amplified Bible (AMP)
18 Pray at all times (on every occasion, in every season) in the Spirit, with all [manner of] prayer and entreaty. To that end keep alert and watch with strong purpose and perseverance, interceding in behalf of all the saints (God’s consecrated people).

Pray in the spirit not through Mary's heart.


Romans 8:26-28
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26 So too the [Holy] Spirit comes to our aid and bears us up in our weakness; for we do not know what prayer to offer nor how to offer it worthily as we ought, but the Spirit Himself goes to meet our supplication and pleads in our behalf with unspeakable yearnings and groanings too deep for utterance.

The Spirit meets our supplication and needs, not Mary.


And denominations are a separations of God's people.
God said we are all one body of Christ, If Catholics believed everything baptists believe, why are there 2 different churches for them?

Obviously denominations have different beliefs than the bible itself. If every denomination just read the Word and didn't stray from what it says there would be no separations.

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Matthew 6:9
New Living Translation (NLT)
9 Pray like this: Our Father in heaven,  may your name be kept holy.


John 14:13-14

Amplified Bible (AMP)
13 And I will do [I Myself will grant] whatever you ask in My Name [as [a]presenting all that I Am], so that the Father may be glorified and extolled in (through) the Son.
14 [Yes] I will grant [I Myself will do for you] whatever you shall ask in My Name [as [b]presenting all that I Am].

Notice it says nothing about asking in Mary's name.

Ephesians 3:14
Amplified Bible (AMP)
14 For this reason [[a]seeing the greatness of this plan by which you are built together in Christ], I bow my knees before the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,


Ephesians 6:18
Amplified Bible (AMP)
18 Pray at all times (on every occasion, in every season) in the Spirit, with all [manner of] prayer and entreaty. To that end keep alert and watch with strong purpose and perseverance, interceding in behalf of all the saints (God’s consecrated people).

Pray in the spirit not through Mary's heart.


Romans 8:26-28
Amplified Bible (AMP)
26 So too the [Holy] Spirit comes to our aid and bears us up in our weakness; for we do not know what prayer to offer nor how to offer it worthily as we ought, but the Spirit Himself goes to meet our supplication and pleads in our behalf with unspeakable yearnings and groanings too deep for utterance.

The Spirit meets our supplication and needs, not Mary.



where's the point ? I do all of this through Mary's heart, amen
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Quote (Bear_Grylls @ 9 Jul 2012 21:50)
not going to continue this debate since it will probably go on all night, and i have reading to do. hopefully one day you will see the truth. God bless


I'm gonna pray for you too my brother.
And here its christian fellowship, not PRAD sub forum. If you want to debate about faith, I invite you to go there.

peace

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where's the point ? I do all of this through Mary's heart, amen


Do you even know what that means?

Through Mary's heart?

When the Bible talks about a heart it is talking about a person's soul or spirit.
If your praying through Mary's heart (spirit) that means your substituting the Holy Ghost for a human.

I still don't understand why you think Mary is so divinely holy that you pray through her lol. She was a human, A mortal. Praying to Mary is like praying to your own mother.

The Bible clearly states that you are not declared righteous by your works, but by your faith.
So the work of her giving birth to Jesus DID NOT MAKE HER RIGHTEOUS! Her faith that she had in God when he told her she's was going to get pregnant did!
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Jul 9 2012 09:15pm
Quote (Rushton @ 9 Jul 2012 22:05)
Do you even know what that means?

Through Mary's heart?

When the Bible talks about a heart it is talking about a person's soul or spirit.
If your praying through Mary's heart (spirit) that means your substituting the Holy Ghost for a human.

I still don't understand why you think Mary is so divinely holy that you pray through her lol. She was a human, A mortal. Praying to Mary is like praying to your own mother.

The Bible clearly states that you are not declared righteous by your works, but by your faith.
So the work of her giving birth to Jesus DID NOT MAKE HER RIGHTEOUS! Her faith that she had in God when he told her she's was going to get pregnant did!



Bro. Mary is the mother of God and all humanity. Its not my fault if Jesus gave his mom to us when he was on the cross. He gave her to us through the apostle John. She is full of Grace and from her heart, you can get all God's Grace. I dont say that Mary is the way, the truth and the Life, neither that she is a substitute of God.. I only said that if you pray Mary, she will link you to her son Jesus Christ. Also, I dont say that we must pray Mary so if you dont want to pray her its your decision and stop quotting the Bible. I have one here that I read daily and I am very satistfy with the expression of my faith. I dont need the preaching of your buddy friend Copeland to enlighten my mind.
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Jul 9 2012 09:20pm
Quote (Rushton @ 9 Jul 2012 22:05)
Do you even know what that means?

Through Mary's heart?

When the Bible talks about a heart it is talking about a person's soul or spirit.
If your praying through Mary's heart (spirit) that means your substituting the Holy Ghost for a human.

I still don't understand why you think Mary is so divinely holy that you pray through her lol. She was a human, A mortal. Praying to Mary is like praying to your own mother.

The Bible clearly states that you are not declared righteous by your works, but by your faith.

So the work of her giving birth to Jesus DID NOT MAKE HER RIGHTEOUS! Her faith that she had in God when he told her she's was going to get pregnant did!


Wrong.
Its rather state in the Bible:
"Not every one who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

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Jul 9 2012 10:44pm
Nekrotic

Here is big print in case you missed my question the first time.

Where in the bible does God authorize praying to Mary?
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Wrong.
Its rather state in the Bible:
"Not every one who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.


Saying Lord, Lord doesn't mean you have faith.

Are you seriously denying what the Word saying over 20 times?

Romans 3:23-26 (NTL)
23 For everyone has sinned; we all fall short of God’s glorious standard.
24 Yet God, with undeserved kindness, declares that we are righteous. He did this through Christ Jesus when he freed us from the penalty for our sins.
25 For God presented Jesus as the sacrifice for sin. People are made right with God when they believe that Jesus sacrificed his life, shedding his blood. This sacrifice shows that God was being fair when he held back and did not punish those who sinned in times past,
26 for he was looking ahead and including them in what he would do in this present time. God did this to demonstrate his righteousness, for he himself is fair and just, and he declares sinners to be right in his sight when they believe in Jesus.

Romans 3:28 (NLT)
28 So we are made right with God through faith and not by obeying the law.

Romans 4:3 (NLT)
3 For the Scriptures tell us, “Abraham believed God, and God counted him as righteous because of his faith.”

This scripture is refering to Genesis 15:6 which says

6 And Abram believed the Lord, and the Lord counted him as righteous because of his faith.

2 Corinthians 5:21
21st Century King James Version
For He hath made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him.


Romans 5:8-9
21st Century King James Version
8 But God commendeth His love toward us in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
9 Much more then, being now justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him.

Justified means "to be made righteous"

Romans 9:30-31
21st Century King James Version
30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, who followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is by faith;
31 but Israel, who followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
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Jul 10 2012 05:10am
Nekrotic

Here is big print in case you missed my question the first time.

Where in the bible does God authorize praying to Mary?

I awnsered your question in post #73 my dear brother

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Nekrotic

Here is big print in case you missed my question the first time.

Where in the bible does God authorize praying to Mary?

I awnsered your question in post #73 my dear brother


I answered that question in post #81.

And yet you still deny what the Word itself says and what to obey what religion force fed you.
If it is not in the Word that means God didn't teach it. It's very simple.

Isaiah 8
New International Version (NIV)
When someone tells you to consult mediums and spiritists, who whisper and mutter, should not a people inquire of their God? Why consult the dead on behalf of the living? 20 Consult God’s instruction and the testimony of warning. If anyone does not speak according to this word, they have no light of dawn.
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