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Mar 12 2016 10:04am
This should be a neutral overview, i´m just showing the facts by demonstrating the situation in germany.
I would be glad to see an overview of other countries such as the USA.

What´s your opinion on this overview? I´m open for any objective argument or opinion.





Explanation:

title: Derzeitige Anteile an ihrem Einkommen (2000€ Brutto) = current "parts" on your income (2000€ gross income)
single, no children. overview of taxes/duties by using the example of the Federal Republic of Germany

Red = taxes/duties // Blue = Net "Ihr Geld (31%) = your money"

GEZ (1%) ___________________ = television and radio licence fee (meanwhiled it´s increased from 1% to ~ 3%)
Weitere Steuern (4%) _________ = further taxes (for example: dog licence fee, cigarette tax, flat rate withholding tax, property tax, drainage fee, garbage removal, consumption tax for electricity and heating oil)
Solidaritätszuschlag ___________ = solidarity surcharge on income tax (mostly used to subsidize the east germany federal states, former socialist GDR)
Benzinsteuer (3%) ___________ = taxes on fuel (meanwhile it´s increased to finance the "german renewable energy act")
Kfz-Versicherungssteuer (1%) ___= insurance tax (your car)
Kfz-Steuer (1%) _____________ = tax on cars
Gesundheitskosten ____________= healthcare costs
Praxisgebühren_______________ = practice fee (meanwile it´s suspended)
Pflegerversicherung (1%)_______= statutory nursing care insurance
Arbeitslosenversicherung (1%)___= public unemployment insurance
Arbeitgeberanteil (15%)________= employer's contribution to social security contributions
Berufsgenossenschaft (8%) ____= employer's liability insurance association
Krankenkasse (6%)___________= health insurance
Rentenkasse (8%) ___________= pensions office
Lohnsteuer (8%) ____________= payroll tax
Umsatzsteuer (8%)__________ = value added tax

beforehand i want to apologize if i made any grammatical/translation mistakes. ;)

e1: editing distances between translations

This post was edited by waynemaster887 on Mar 12 2016 10:10am
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Mar 12 2016 10:07am
Germans can't even wipe their ass without permission.
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Mar 12 2016 10:25am
Quote (waynemaster887 @ Mar 12 2016 12:04pm)
This should be a neutral overview, i´m just showing the facts by demonstrating the situation in germany.
I would be glad to see an overview of other countries such as the USA.

What´s your opinion on this overview? I´m open for any objective argument or opinion.



http://sachsen-anhalt.parteidervernunft.de/sites/default/files/pictures/Chart_neu.png

Explanation:

title: Derzeitige Anteile an ihrem Einkommen (2000€ Brutto) = current "parts" on your income (2000€ gross income)
single, no children. overview of taxes/duties by using the example of the Federal Republic of Germany

Red = taxes/duties // Blue = Net "Ihr Geld (31%) = your money"

GEZ (1%) ___________________ = television and radio licence fee (meanwhiled it´s increased from 1% to ~ 3%)
Weitere Steuern (4%) _________ = further taxes (for example: dog licence fee, cigarette tax, flat rate withholding tax, property tax, drainage fee, garbage removal, consumption tax for electricity and heating oil)
Solidaritätszuschlag ___________ = solidarity surcharge on income tax (mostly used to subsidize the east germany federal states, former socialist GDR)
Benzinsteuer (3%) ___________ = taxes on fuel (meanwhile it´s increased to finance the "german renewable energy act")
Kfz-Versicherungssteuer (1%) ___= insurance tax (your car)
Kfz-Steuer (1%) _____________ = tax on cars
Gesundheitskosten ____________= healthcare costs
Praxisgebühren_______________ = practice fee (meanwile it´s suspended)
Pflegerversicherung (1%)_______= statutory nursing care insurance
Arbeitslosenversicherung (1%)___= public unemployment insurance
Arbeitgeberanteil (15%)________= employer's contribution to social security contributions
Berufsgenossenschaft (8%) ____= employer's liability insurance association
Krankenkasse (6%)___________= health insurance
Rentenkasse (8%) ___________= pensions office
Lohnsteuer (8%) ____________= payroll tax
Umsatzsteuer (8%)__________ = value added tax

beforehand i want to apologize if i made any grammatical/translation mistakes. ;)
e1: editing distances between translations


Germany's taxes are high but their system is efficient so it works pretty well from what I hear.

US taxes before deductions range from 20% to 50% based on how wealthy you are. The rich can pay as low as 10% after deductions if they have a good accountant, which makes no sense if you ask me. Our entitlements system is also broken because we dont pay enough into it.

& Unfortunately Merkel has no children of her own, so she has no stake in the future and no reason not to choose immigration policies that will kill the country.

This post was edited by EndlessSky on Mar 12 2016 10:25am
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Mar 12 2016 02:47pm
Quote (j0ltk0la @ 12 Mar 2016 17:07)
Germans can't even wipe their ass without permission.


In case of starting a business and registering proberty, there are quite many administrative barriers. I know this because my dad is running a physiotherapy practice (atm 3 employees) and he can tell you a thing or two about it. :rolleyes:
(It´s ranked 107th out of 189 countries for "starting business" in the doingbusinessindex 2015. In countries like Sierra Leone (99th), dem. rep. of congo (89th) or even Nepal (105th) it´s easier to start your business!
But there are some good advantages like "Resolving Insolvency" (business but also personal insolvency), germany is ranked 3rd out of 189 countries (Finland 1st, Japan 2nd).

Quote (EndlessSky @ 12 Mar 2016 17:25)
Germany's taxes are high but their system is efficient so it works pretty well from what I hear.

US taxes before deductions range from 20% to 50% based on how wealthy you are. The rich can pay as low as 10% after deductions if they have a good accountant, which makes no sense if you ask me. Our entitlements system is also broken because we dont pay enough into it.

& Unfortunately Merkel has no children of her own, so she has no stake in the future and no reason not to choose immigration policies that will kill the country.


Well ... it´s similar to germany. :rolleyes:

If you do practice your own self-employment there are quite many tax-deductible opportunities. But mostly it´s worthwhile if your business is quite big.
As a small businessman it´s quite hard because of the high barriers to entry (financial, restrictions and the "madness" bureaucracy), so that the tax-deductible opportunities are not worth it (also because of bureaucracy barriers). -_-

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Mar 12 2016 05:09pm
I'm wondering if you can confirm something for me. So in 2013 GDP per capita in Germany was around 46k USD. So by your graph you're telling me that about 70% of that 46k was taxed away? Or is the 46k gdp per capita after the taxation?

Or maybe I'm misunderstanding the pie chart somehow 70% in taxes sounds monstrous

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Mar 12 2016 05:47pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Mar 12 2016 04:09pm)
I'm wondering if you can confirm something for me. So in 2013 GDP per capita in Germany was around 46k USD. So by your graph you're telling me that about 70% of that 46k was taxed away? Or is the 46k gdp per capita after the taxation?

Or maybe I'm misunderstanding the pie chart somehow 70% in taxes sounds monstrous



Never mind I'm just an idiot and was confused.
So a single person making the average GDP per capita (46k USD in 2013) would be taxed at about 40%. His/her net would be around 28000. A married person with two children would be looking at about 21% of income taxes away.

I'm so glad to be living in the states where approximately 23% of my income is taxed away compared to 40% in Germany.
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Mar 12 2016 05:48pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Mar 12 2016 05:47pm)
Never mind I'm just an idiot and was confused.
So a single person making the average GDP per capita (46k USD in 2013) would be taxed at about 40%. His/her net would be around 28000. A married person with two children would be looking at about 21% of income taxes away.

I'm so glad to be living in the states where approximately 23% of my income is taxed away compared to 40% in Germany.


How much do you pay for health insurance?

If we're talking averages in America Google says it's 15000, so sounds like Germans make out better, but 15000 seems really high for a family.

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Mar 12 2016 05:54pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Mar 12 2016 04:48pm)
How much do you pay for health insurance?

If we're talking averages in America Google says it's 15000, so sounds like Germans make out better, but 15000 seems really high for a family.



Nothing, I have a free hdp plan through work. I'm active and my most recent physical the doctor told me I'm in excellent shape so I'm just a cheapskate and take my chances.

Besides I don't make much, to give away let's say $1200 per year on health insurance doesn't make sense at this point in my life.

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Mar 12 2016 06:05pm
@ op:

nice distortion by the "partei fuer unvernuft", but that is what libertarians do
in case you didn't know, let me make just two points:
- the "arbeitgeberanteil" is not part of the brutto income
- and why is 'inflation' in that list (doubt monthly inflation is 3%)

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Mar 12 2016 06:19pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Mar 12 2016 05:54pm)
Nothing, I have a free hdp plan through work. I'm active and my most recent physical the doctor told me I'm in excellent shape so I'm just a cheapskate and take my chances.

Besides I don't make much, to give away let's say $1200 per year on health insurance doesn't make sense at this point in my life.


Yeah but if we were talking averages the average family makes out better in Germany since they don't have healthcare. And if you got into an accident you would too
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