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Oct 2 2019 07:45am
Quote (excellence @ Oct 2 2019 09:34am)
lmao you just want free $1k to buy more dolls from the cartoons you watch


Wtf?

You're not wrong but I'd also like to expand on buying cartoon masks that I can then pay prostitutes to wear; I need that $1000 you see
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Quote (Jupe @ 2 Oct 2019 09:45)
Wtf?

You're not wrong but I'd also like to expand on buying cartoon masks that I can then pay prostitutes to wear; I need that $1000 you see



sounds like you need to spend it and that will stimulate the economy further

is there any (D) candidate more based and redpilled than Yang? the most based (D) candidate since JFK
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lmao you just want free $1k to buy more dolls from the cartoons you watch


Tell me it's not a great campaign promises though. In terms of tactics, how many poor people could have a life-changing situation from an extra 1k?
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Tell me it's not a great campaign promises though. In terms of tactics, how many poor people could have a life-changing situation from an extra 1k?

its a great campaign promise and i want my $1k as well
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Tell me it's not a great campaign promises though. In terms of tactics, how many poor people could have a life-changing situation from an extra 1k?


i'm sure you could even wrangle in soulless people like EndlessSky by abolishing welfare/foodstamp and instead requiring a Social security number to collect 1k$/month.

the difference for a laid off worker with a family between 0$/month and 1k$/month is massive.
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i'm sure you could even wrangle in soulless people like EndlessSky by abolishing welfare/foodstamp and instead requiring a Social security number to collect 1k$/month.

the difference for a laid off worker with a family between 0$/month and 1k$/month is massive.

no need to explain it like that just gimme my $1k
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i'm sure you could even wrangle in soulless people like EndlessSky by abolishing welfare/foodstamp and instead requiring a Social security number to collect 1k$/month.

the difference for a laid off worker with a family between 0$/month and 1k$/month is massive.


Yeah, but landlords will just jack rent up to compensate for the increased income. And everyone else will as well.
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Yeah, but landlords will just jack rent up to compensate for the increased income. And everyone else will as well.


There is zero % chance my rent is going to go up from 500 dollars to 1500 dollars.

Housing is going to increase and in arm and a leg housing costs areas might go up more than others but do you really believe this?

By this logic , people supporting a higher minimum wage or federal jobs guarantees , under the same logic housing would go up since the supply of money in consumers hands goes up.

It's not like the UBI is just being created. It's funded through a VAT , something that is very hard for companies to skirt paying vs income and wealth taxes which are easier for companies to lobby or navigate not paying.

It's a matter if the UBI will be set enough that it increases purchasing power and I don't see how it wouldn't.

This post was edited by sir_lance_bb on Oct 4 2019 10:33am
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There is zero % chance my rent is going to go up from 500 dollars to 1500 dollars.

Housing is going to increase and in arm and a leg housing costs areas might go up more than others but do you really believe this?

By this logic , people supporting a higher minimum wage or federal jobs guarantees , under the same logic housing would go up since the supply of money in consumers hands goes up.

It's not like the UBI is just being created. It's funded through a VAT , something that is very hard for companies to skirt paying vs income and wealth taxes which are easier for companies to lobby or navigate not paying.

It's a matter if the UBI will be set enough that it increases purchasing power and I don't see how it wouldn't.


this is all accurate. not to mention there's a 'ladder' if you will in housing.

the perpetually poor live in a low class style apartment, there's mid range, and upper range. if someone get's 1k$/month supplementing their income they will try most likely to climb the ladder. if a landlord drastically raises their prices they won't get any of that upward movement, they'll just maintain their renters.

the "inflation" effect of UBI on good such as food and home goods can also be offset by removing food stamp programs. inflation is real, and will happen with UBI, but at the same time rising unemployment and underemployment will restrict cash in the population and some deflation to offset the effects of UBI.

and in any case any "good" ubi proposals have 2 things in common:

1. they start by directly helping those in need most, namely out of work geographical sectors (lead miners, coal miners, autoworkers, etc. areas dominated by a single industry the become economically stagnant).

2. they eliminate more cumbersome forms of welfare that contain far more red tape (food stamps, welfare, etc).

This post was edited by thesnipa on Oct 4 2019 10:59am
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