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Jul 7 2018 11:11am
Quote (dro94 @ 7 Jul 2018 18:09)
Thank God for brexit!


yep, probably a major issue :rofl:
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Jul 7 2018 12:02pm
Quote (dro94 @ 7 Jul 2018 19:09)
Thank God for brexit!


:LOL:

Quote (zarkadon @ 7 Jul 2018 18:14)
Hmmm, yes, it seems to be down now. It was working fine a few hours ago when I submitted my vote.


Seems to be working now again.
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Jul 8 2018 05:41am
Russian ambassador met 11 times the #1 brexit funder.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jul/08/arron-banks-met-russian-ambassador-11-times-lucrative-deals

Brexit’s biggest funder, Arron Banks, met the Russian ambassador at least 11 times in the run-up to the EU referendum and in the two months beyond, documents seen by the Observer suggest – seven more times than he has admitted. The same documents suggest the Russian embassy extended a further four invitations but it is not known if they were accepted.
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Jul 8 2018 06:00am


EU migration policies seen building blocks for "Fortress Europe"

https://af.reuters.com/article/africaTech/idAFKBN1JY08D-OZATP

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Meanwhile the political mood in Europe is increasingly turning against migrants.

Italian new Interior Minister Matteo Salvini’s use of the hashtag #stoptheinvasion on Twitter would have been considered beyond the pale for a member of a serving EU government just a few years ago.

In 2015, Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban was widely criticised for contravening EU laws when he built a fence on his southern border.

But now his other idea - presented back in 2016 as “Africa hotspots” where the EU would handle all refugees and migrants in Africa before bringing over only those who win asylum - is back in the latest EU agreement, with only some revisions.

One thing EU leaders have succeeded in doing so far is preventing the collapse of the cherished Schengen travel zone that feeds jobs and businesses across the bloc by guaranteeing control-free movement of people and goods.

The threat to Schengen is real, however, as several countries including Austria, Germany and France have already introduced some emergency border checks since 2015.

The current discussions about the German-Austrian border - and Vienna’s threat to restrict its own border - shows how easily one country’s move could trigger a chain reaction.

Physically re-erecting dividing lines inside Europe could deal a mortal blow to what backers praise as the most successful peace project in Europe since World War Two, coming after the wounds caused by Britain’s vote to leave.

“If Schengen falls apart, this is it. There will no longer be an EU as we have known it,” said an EU official.




Now there is a lot of other crap in this article I don't understand (internal EU politics etc.), but the part I quoted sounds a lot like what's currently happening in the US. Namely, that people in the EU are getting fed up with this "silent invasion" by migrants.
It seems like some of the member states of the EU are starting a grass roots, Make Europe Great Again (MEGA), movement.

I think this may be a good thing for all concerned. These 3rd world countries have zero motivation to improve themselves, if all those who disagree are just allowed to migrate to 1st world countries in a non-merit based way.

It's also kind of nice to see at least some support of Trump like ideas coming from the EU, or at least parts of it.


This "Schengen" stuff in the EU (had to look it up) seems like it's mirroring a lot of the same crap that's going on in the U.S. as well. Namely, that some areas of the US are "for" this unlimited immigration crap, like say New York and California are.

https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/schengen-visa-countries-list/





Maybe some of the more severe anti-Trump folks should take notice of this. Of the fact, that at least some of Trump's ideas seem to be happening elsewhere as well as here.
Keep in mind, that I don't really have any problem with LEGAL immigration in the US, and I feel like the same sentiment is shown by this latest development in the EU as well.



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Jul 8 2018 06:14am
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Maybe some of the more severe anti-Trump folks should take notice of this. Of the fact, that at least some of Trump's ideas seem to be happening elsewhere as well as here.
Keep in mind, that I don't really have any problem with LEGAL immigration in the US, and I feel like the same sentiment is shown by this latest development in the EU as well.


Frontex exists since 2004, Trump-clown has no influence on this.
On the other hand, US by their hostile actions in middle east, greatly contributing to the creation of ISIS and war in Syria, then refugees crisis, is partially responsible of the increase of frontex budget... (and also populism in europe).

Your people only desserve a major crisis.
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Jul 8 2018 06:28am
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Jul 8 2018 08:14am)
Frontex exists since 2004, Trump-clown has no influence on this.
On the other hand, US by their hostile actions in middle east, greatly contributing to the creation of ISIS and war in Syria, then refugees crisis, is partially responsible of the increase of frontex budget... (and also populism in europe).

Your people only desserve a major crisis.




It always amazes me that you only see the U.S. actions in the middle east, and seem to totally ignore any actions that have been taken by european countries in the middle east.
Countries in Europe have been messing around in the middle east, africa, india, etc. long before the US came along. European countries are STILL messing around, in these countries on a smaller scale.

A lot of the US's participation in the issues of these countries is a direct result of something caused (to a small and hopefully un-noticed extent) by some european countries.

It;s kind of like the reason the US went to Vietnam. The French decided that things were unfair in Vietnam and went down there to fix up the country. When they kept getting their asses kicked by the Vietnamese, they then made enough noise in the UN, that the UN puts pressure on the US to intervene. Then when we DO intervene, we get blamed for that intervention.

Neat system you have there. And probably why Trump is so fed up with the UN and why he is putting pressure on the EU to upgrade their fighting forces. I guess he's trying to say, that if the EU is upset with something going on in the world, then maybe THEY should be able to take care of it themselves.
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Jul 8 2018 07:56am
Quote (Ghot @ 8 Jul 2018 13:28)
It always amazes me that you only see the U.S. actions in the middle east, and seem to totally ignore any actions that have been taken by european countries in the middle east.
Countries in Europe have been messing around in the middle east, africa, india, etc. long before the US came along. European countries are STILL messing around, in these countries on a smaller scale.
A lot of the US's participation in the issues of these countries is a direct result of something caused (to a small and hopefully un-noticed extent) by some european countries.
It;s kind of like the reason the US went to Vietnam. The French decided that things were unfair in Vietnam and went down there to fix up the country. When they kept getting their asses kicked by the Vietnamese, they then made enough noise in the UN, that the UN puts pressure on the US to intervene. Then when we DO intervene, we get blamed for that intervention.
Neat system you have there. And probably why Trump is so fed up with the UN and why he is putting pressure on the EU to upgrade their fighting forces. I guess he's trying to say, that if the EU is upset with something going on in the world, then maybe THEY should be able to take care of it themselves.


You are in denial, and your time travels in vietnam are more than pathetic...

ISIS & war in syria is massively due to us, i really hope the same happend to you, your people perfectly desserve it.
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Jul 8 2018 09:54am
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Jul 8 2018 09:56am)
You are in denial, and your time travels in vietnam are more than pathetic...

ISIS & war in syria is massively due to us, i really hope the same happend to you, your people perfectly desserve it.


I'm referring to times before the year 2000. I've even pointed this out before, and cited example and links.

What was the most recent example? Probably Chad. France was down there messing around in Chad, then called for U.S. assistance.
I beleive that was what prompted Trump to tell the EU to rebuild their own forces.

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Jul 8 2018 09:55am
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/05/opinion/angela-merkel-germany-immigration-european-union.html

even the new york times is done with merkel, thats how bad it is
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Jul 8 2018 09:58am
Quote (ampoo @ 8 Jul 2018 16:55)
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/05/opinion/angela-merkel-germany-immigration-european-union.html
even the new york times is done with merkel, thats how bad it is


All american press is bitching about EU anyway. You got an issue if you never managed to see it.

Merkel got reelected 3 months ago, you got a problem with democracy, Adolf ? :rofl:
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