Quote (Goomshill @ Apr 22 2018 12:24am)

I kinda want to believe its an opposite-equal forces ying-yang relationship

Quote (EndlessSky @ Apr 21 2018 11:41pm)

Not even close.

When Romney lost, people were sad

After Clinton lost, the whole party turned into rabid ex girlfriends and haven't calmed down since.

Quote (EndlessSky @ Apr 21 2018 11:41pm)

Not even close.

When Romney lost, people were sad

After Clinton lost, the whole party turned into rabid ex girlfriends and haven't calmed down since.

Quote (Goomshill @ Apr 21 2018 11:48pm)

well yeah if it was Thor or Ink or Spelcheck or Saucy
Icemage is to republicans what I am to democrats

Quote (Thor123422 @ Apr 22 2018 05:46pm)

:huh:

You both have some serious issues to work out if you think Democrats have become rabid.

Believe it or not when you have one of the most corrupt presidents in history it's the job of the opposition party to.... ya know.... oppose them?

I mean, it's not like theyr'e opposing him just for being Trump like Republicans did for eight years under Obama. Bernie offered to get behind an infrastructure bill, Feinstein loved his comments on bump stocks and guns, etc. etc. There's plenty of instances where Democrats have shown willingness to work with Trump, then he renegs a week later on twitter.

Oh wait, that's hyperbole. Just ignore that every other week he has another cabinet member resign in disgrace.

Quote (Plaguefear @ Apr 22 2018 12:51am)

I remember 8 years of people cross burning obama dolls and raging, did i hallucinate that?
Interesting fact, people raging about mueller investigation fail to comment on the fact that 19 people have had charges so far based on his findings.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Apr 22 2018 06:25pm)

Hes very likely to get Kushner on major charges, and Manafort is going down for what we already knew about his money laundering.

Quote (Goomshill @ Apr 21 2018 09:36pm)

'malleable on some issues'? She was getting skewered the entire election season by both left and right for being a worm. It was easily recognized as her main shortcoming;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfmwGAd1L-o#1m40s
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/10/04/as-clinton-recovers-in-polls-trust-issue-simmers/
http://harvardpolitics.com/united-states/exactly-wrong-hillary-clinton/
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/04/hillary-clinton-pandering-radio/479004/
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/hillary-clinton-messaging-225581
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-trade-tpp-20160926-snap-story.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hillary-clinton-regrets-her-iraq-vote-but-opting-for-intervention-was-a-pattern/2016/09/15/760c23d0-6645-11e6-96c0-37533479f3f5_story.html?utm_term=.0b3ae14316bb
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jun/17/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-change-position-same-sex-marriage/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzzJZoaAefo

^ whats the top comments on that one? "Dont forget the binders full of poll tested talking points" "Why make promises when you can lie for your voters to win and do jack on anything?" "At this point Hillary will do anything/say anything to get votes, lol.".
That, and the bernie bros ragging on her for being in the pocket of big banks.

The very first issue you named to look at Hillary for a coherent policy messaging and sincerity is one where she did a full 180 flip flop from being a tough-on-crime regressive to trying to co-opt black lives matter progressive.
What you're arguing with isn't my perception, but the perception shared so widely among conservatives, trump supporters, bernie bros, reluctant hillary voters and even some who went hard for her.
I think that once something is common enough knowledge and widely accepted that even SNL can run gags on it assuming the audience agrees- even when depreciating the candidate they are shilling for- we can stop dismissing it as the construct of a biased lens from the other side's partisans. Hillary wasn't smeared as a flip flopper and pragmatist because Trump ran a baseless dirty campaign, she already reeked of it back in 2008. Thats why I didn't vote for her then. So how am I supposed to track that genesis to being from the Trump cult and Bernie bros?

Quote (Goomshill @ Apr 21 2018 11:24pm)

I kinda want to believe its an opposite-equal forces ying-yang relationship

Quote (IceMage @ Apr 22 2018 08:18am)

https://media.tenor.com/images/2672a2395ef37486b779fa43cd10b16b/tenor.gif

Arguing over who is more objective seems kind of pointless. But I win. Bigly.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Apr 22 2018 01:46am)

:huh:

You both have some serious issues to work out if you think Democrats have become rabid.

Believe it or not when you have one of the most corrupt presidents in history it's the job of the opposition party to.... ya know.... oppose them?

I mean, it's not like theyr'e opposing him just for being Trump like Republicans did for eight years under Obama. Bernie offered to get behind an infrastructure bill, Feinstein loved his comments on bump stocks and guns, etc. etc. There's plenty of instances where Democrats have shown willingness to work with Trump, then he renegs a week later on twitter.

Oh wait, that's hyperbole. Just ignore that every other week he has another cabinet member resign in disgrace.