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Sep 7 2017 09:55am
Quote (IceMage @ 7 Sep 2017 11:18)
Inherited a good economy and stock market from Obama
https://media3.giphy.com/media/3oz8xzgGdsIpE8kPBu/giphy.gif

economy/stock market did NOT like President Obama trying to have saint hillary inventor of politics as his successor:

Nasdaq is at 6400+ now btw

took President Trump 1 month to outperform any of the prior 12 months :lol:

Quote (IceMage @ 7 Sep 2017 11:18)
DACA kicked down to Congress. no repeal of Obamacare


this will negatively affect the RINOs in congress more than President Trump

Quote (IceMage @ 7 Sep 2017 11:18)
no wall funding from Congress or Mexico


wall is being built anyway. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/31/us/mexico-wall-prototypes-trump.html

Quote (IceMage @ 7 Sep 2017 11:18)


she's hawking a book blaming Bernie and Joe Biden for her loss - that's her job now.

if people bothered to listen to lefty democrats like you saying the sky is falling for Trump he wouldn't have won in a landslide in November. clearly that didn't happen
take your obsession for hillary to the bookstore and buy (c)linton's book - she needs the funds as her foundation donations have dried up :rofl:


oh and don't forgot:


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Sep 7 2017 10:22am
Quote (excellence @ Sep 7 2017 03:55pm)
economy/stock market did NOT like President Obama trying to have saint hillary inventor of politics as his successor:
https://kek.gg/i/74DF6m.png
Nasdaq is at 6400+ now btw

took President Trump 1 month to outperform any of the prior 12 months :lol:
https://kek.gg/i/7MJFGB.png


this will negatively affect the RINOs in congress more than President Trump



wall is being built anyway. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/31/us/mexico-wall-prototypes-trump.html



she's hawking a book blaming Bernie and Joe Biden for her loss - that's her job now.

if people bothered to listen to lefty democrats like you saying the sky is falling for Trump he wouldn't have won in a landslide in November. clearly that didn't happen
take your obsession for hillary to the bookstore and buy (c)linton's book - she needs the funds as her foundation donations have dried up :rofl:


oh and don't forgot:

https://kek.gg/i/3Lwgmj.png


Hawking the same economic metrics to prove Trump is doing well economically... the same metrics you and every other Trumpite tore apart as flawed, fake, and doctored, is quite Trumpish of you.

The biggest reason why the economy is doing "better" this year than previous years, other than that the economy grew a lot of the last five years, is because consumer confidence, one of the most solid predictors of consumer spending (which makes up most economic progress), jumped through the roof when Trump was elected. The reason why is because all of the conservatives, of whom had 20% faith in the economy, suddenly had 70% faith in the economy, while democratic faith only fell 10 points. That has driven the economy.... Obamahaters that pinched every dime now feel free to go buy that modded truck that exhausted a big dark cloud for no other reason than to pollute.

The biggest growth in terms of jobs have come in the low-paying retail sector and others like it, which you and every other conservative derided Obama for. Things really haven't changed economically, just conservative outlook of the economy, which is enough to help it along.

I'm not going to say we have a healthy economy until we can support this growth while we have higher interest rates and can sustain higher taxes. Which, spoiler, will probably never happen again.
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Sep 7 2017 10:27am
Quote (Interesting @ 7 Sep 2017 12:22)
The biggest reason why the economy is doing "better" this year than previous years, other than that the economy grew a lot of the last five years, is because consumer confidence, one of the most solid predictors of consumer spending (which makes up most economic progress), jumped through the roof when Trump was elected.

yes and i've stated this plenty of times here.

Quote (Interesting @ 7 Sep 2017 12:22)
The biggest growth in terms of jobs have come in the low-paying retail sector and others like it, which you and every other conservative derided Obama for.


nope

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/08/private-sector-jobs-february-2017-adp.html

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Companies added jobs at a blistering pace in February, with a notable shift away from the service-sector positions that have dominated hiring for years, according to a report Wednesday.

Employment in the private sector surged by 298,000 for the month, with goods producers adding 106,000, ADP and Moody's Analytics said. Construction jobs swelled by 66,000 and manufacturing added 32,000.

The total shattered market expectations of 190,000, according to economists surveyed by ADP. The blockbuster report also solidified market expectations for the Fed to hike interest rates next week. Probability for an increase jumped to 91 percent after the release, according to the CME.

The report encompassed the first full month under President Donald Trump, who has pledged to rebuild the nation's aging infrastructure system.


http://fortune.com/2017/08/07/july-jobs-report-economy-dow/

Takeaways From a “Near-Perfect” Jobs Report

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A lot of annoying political analysis followed Friday’s jobs report. But if you strip away the spin, it was a good set of numbers – even “near perfect,” as Thomas Simons of Jeffries called it.
With the expansion entering its ninth year, and already the second longest on record, now’s the time to be looking for signs it is coming to an end. Friday’s report offered none


https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/04/us-nonfarm-payrolls-july-2017.html
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Bars and restaurants provided the biggest boost for the month with 53,000 more positives, while professional and business services contributed 49,000, the Bureau of Labor Statistics said.

In addition to the strong July report, June's 222,000 gain was revised up to 231,000 though May was cut from 152,000 to 145,000.

Significant job gains also came from health care, with 39,000.


Quote (Interesting @ 7 Sep 2017 12:22)
I'm not going to say we have a healthy economy until we can support this growth while we have higher interest rates and can sustain higher taxes. Which, spoiler, will probably never happen again.


fed raised the rate twice this year - https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurengensler/2017/06/14/fed-raises-rates-june/
i agree it was way too low for way too long but it seems it had to be done during the prior Administration. what are higher taxes going to do - pay for more foolish bureaucratic departments to staff up with redundant positions? if they're actually used for actual growth, then sure.

This post was edited by excellence on Sep 7 2017 10:31am
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Sep 7 2017 11:06am
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/09/07/trump-schumer-agree-to-pursue-plan-to-repeal-the-debt-ceiling/

freedom caucus on suicide watch
turns out being ideologues who refuse to compromise with your own party means forfeiting all your political capital, and losing the ability to threaten to defects. What are they going to do, obstruct trump? They already were
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Sep 7 2017 11:08am
Quote (Goomshill @ Sep 7 2017 12:06pm)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/09/07/trump-schumer-agree-to-pursue-plan-to-repeal-the-debt-ceiling/

freedom caucus on suicide watch
turns out being ideologues who refuse to compromise with your own party means forfeiting all your political capital, and losing the ability to threaten to defects. What are they going to do, obstruct trump? They already were


is wapo paid access only now?
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Sep 7 2017 11:20am
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is wapo paid access only now?

you get a couple freebies, then bezos needs his cut
there's ways around it
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Sep 7 2017 11:36am
Quote (excellence @ Sep 7 2017 04:27pm)
yes and i've stated this plenty of times here.



nope

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/08/private-sector-jobs-february-2017-adp.html

Code
Companies added jobs at a blistering pace in February, with a notable shift away from the service-sector positions that have dominated hiring for years, according to a report Wednesday.

Employment in the private sector surged by 298,000 for the month, with goods producers adding 106,000, ADP and Moody's Analytics said. Construction jobs swelled by 66,000 and manufacturing added 32,000.

The total shattered market expectations of 190,000, according to economists surveyed by ADP. The blockbuster report also solidified market expectations for the Fed to hike interest rates next week. Probability for an increase jumped to 91 percent after the release, according to the CME.

The report encompassed the first full month under President Donald Trump, who has pledged to rebuild the nation's aging infrastructure system.


http://fortune.com/2017/08/07/july-jobs-report-economy-dow/

Takeaways From a “Near-Perfect” Jobs Report

Code
A lot of annoying political analysis followed Friday’s jobs report. But if you strip away the spin, it was a good set of numbers – even “near perfect,” as Thomas Simons of Jeffries called it.
With the expansion entering its ninth year, and already the second longest on record, now’s the time to be looking for signs it is coming to an end. Friday’s report offered none


https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/04/us-nonfarm-payrolls-july-2017.html
Code
Bars and restaurants provided the biggest boost for the month with 53,000 more positives, while professional and business services contributed 49,000, the Bureau of Labor Statistics said.

In addition to the strong July report, June's 222,000 gain was revised up to 231,000 though May was cut from 152,000 to 145,000.

Significant job gains also came from health care, with 39,000.




fed raised the rate twice this year - https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurengensler/2017/06/14/fed-raises-rates-june/
i agree it was way too low for way too long but it seems it had to be done during the prior Administration. what are higher taxes going to do - pay for more foolish bureaucratic departments to staff up with redundant positions? if they're actually used for actual growth, then sure.


Those reports are almost identical to the ones under the last couple years of Obama.

I know the Feds rose the rates twice... they have about twelve to twenty more to go before I'll feel better about it.

Higher taxes will help bring down the deficit and, God willing, we can make a plan that'll go toward paying off the National Debt (which would probably take 50 years).

I don't want to increase spending. In fact, I'm in favor of ending Medicare and Medicaid. Keep and strengthen Social Security.
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Sep 7 2017 11:37am
Quote (excellence @ Sep 7 2017 10:55am)
economy/stock market did NOT like President Obama trying to have saint hillary inventor of politics as his successor:
https://kek.gg/i/74DF6m.png
Nasdaq is at 6400+ now btw

took President Trump 1 month to outperform any of the prior 12 months :lol:
https://kek.gg/i/7MJFGB.png


this will negatively affect the RINOs in congress more than President Trump



wall is being built anyway. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/31/us/mexico-wall-prototypes-trump.html



she's hawking a book blaming Bernie and Joe Biden for her loss - that's her job now.

if people bothered to listen to lefty democrats like you saying the sky is falling for Trump he wouldn't have won in a landslide in November. clearly that didn't happen
take your obsession for hillary to the bookstore and buy (c)linton's book - she needs the funds as her foundation donations have dried up :rofl:


oh and don't forgot:

https://kek.gg/i/3Lwgmj.png


Not enough images.

Quote (Goomshill @ Sep 7 2017 12:06pm)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/09/07/trump-schumer-agree-to-pursue-plan-to-repeal-the-debt-ceiling/

freedom caucus on suicide watch
turns out being ideologues who refuse to compromise with your own party means forfeiting all your political capital, and losing the ability to threaten to defects. What are they going to do, obstruct trump? They already were



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Sep 7 2017 11:55am
Quote (Interesting @ 7 Sep 2017 13:36)
Those reports are almost identical to the ones under the last couple years of Obama.

I know the Feds rose the rates twice... they have about twelve to twenty more to go before I'll feel better about it.

Higher taxes will help bring down the deficit and, God willing, we can make a plan that'll go toward paying off the National Debt (which would probably take 50 years).

I don't want to increase spending. In fact, I'm in favor of ending Medicare and Medicaid. Keep and strengthen Social Security.


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with a notable shift away from the service-sector positions that have dominated hiring for years

:huh:

Quote (Interesting @ 7 Sep 2017 13:36)
I know the Feds rose the rates twice... they have about twelve to twenty more to go before I'll feel better about it.

Higher taxes will help bring down the deficit and, God willing, we can make a plan that'll go toward paying off the National Debt (which would probably take 50 years).

I don't want to increase spending. In fact, I'm in favor of ending Medicare and Medicaid. Keep and strengthen Social Security.


if they raise rates each quarter for the next 1.5-2 years, it will be a good sign yes.
higher taxes will just mean moar government spending, sadly its how our government has functioned for a long time now. nothing would be nicer than paying down the debt and decreasing spending.
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