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Jul 19 2012 12:43pm
Quote (xXAn0nym0usXx @ Jul 19 2012 12:41pm)
So did you find out what happened?


Nope, nobody knows yet for sure
But Israel had Netanyahu directly condemning shiite Hezbollah as being the Iranian proxy behind the attack, putting the blame solely on Iran
Shortly followed by Bulgaria putting out a press release identifying a fake ID and CCTV footage showing a known Al-Qaeda sunni Algerian-Swedish terrorist who came from the USA after being held in Gitmo as the bomber.

This post was edited by Goomshill on Jul 19 2012 12:44pm
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Jul 19 2012 12:58pm
Its actually kind of amazing how prescient and topical those 9 pages of me smashing many_names' ignorance of shiite/sunni distinctions and Iran vs Al-Qaeda turned out to be
Considering all signs point to this being an Al-Qaeda attack (that is, a lone wolf operative from Al-Qaeda most likely)
Which puts it on the exact opposite 'bank' of the arab world. Like if there was a bombing at the US Capitol and the republicans rushed to blame it on Black Panthers, only to find a burning cross and white robes at the site
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Jul 19 2012 10:07pm
Apparently I'm not the only one with a functioning brain. Heres some select quotes from the wikipedia talk section for it;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2012_Burgas_bus_bombing#Suspect_section

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No, especially since there is absolutely no proof. In any case, all prior Muslim attacks on Jews in Europe have been done by Sunni Muslims, not Shia Muslims. Shia Muslims have not used suicide bombs since the Lebanese Civil War either. These allegations are quite fishy. FunkMonk (talk) 15:39, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
And badabing, the suspect is a Sunni straight out of Guantanamo: Mehdi Ghezali. Hopefully this'll be a lesson to the Israelis and the West. Their true enemy isn't Iran or Shias, but al-Qaeda and the countries that sponsor them. FunkMonk (talk) 16:14, 19 July 2012 (UTC)


Hezbollahs own statement:
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2012/0719/Hezbollah-on-bus-bombing-We-wouldn-t-target-tourists-for-revenge-video

The Israeli narrative is an interesting read. Apparently, these strings of attacks were caused by Iranians in response to the assassination of nuclear scientists by Israel, a 'shadow war' (a term they used about 50 times to rub it in to advance the narrative).
Meanwhile, the previous attacks were committed in the exact same style as Israel's assassination of scientists anyway (sticky bomb from a motorcycle?), which gives evidence to them being false flag ops, especially considering the truly stupid motivation.
Why would Iran strike civilians in response to scientist assassinations? Its not going to make Israel stop and any average joe could tell you that, it would just make them retaliate more. Its not going to strike any revenge, you're killing an uninvolved 3rd party.

The only party that stands to benefit, of course, is Israel. Hezbollah explicitly does not want to spark a conflict right now and is busy keeping the peace. They sure as heck wouldn't do something like this out of the blue.
And its obviously not their style. They only used suicide bombs as an act of total desperation in defense, never as an aggressive tool- only the sunnis (religious fanatics) ever do that. Why would a shiite suicide bomb when he could just as easily have left his backpack there?


So I can construct two actually plausible storylines for how this attack happened.
1) Mossad trained and armed a sunni dissident minority from Iran, which they are already known to do (as with the scientist assassinations), and used one of those operatives to strike a false flag attack on their own tourists in order to accomplish any number of political goals- put pressure on bulgaria, give cassus belli for hostility towards Iran, quell internal tensions by giving a smoke screen from a common enemy, or just to put pressure on Obama to act on Iran during this election cycle, a time they know he is weak and may be forced to cave to their demands (when otherwise he was merely appeasing them with token, bloodless measures like Stuxnet). This story fits the previous pattern of presumed false flag attempts (but relatively bloodless until now) that have been happening for a few months, but doesn't match with the evidence of the attacker, who did not appear Iranian (though he was disguised- but wouldn't this go against the purpose of the false flag?).

1.5) Same as above, but Israel's false flag plan actually involved setting loose these Iranian dissidents through shadow organizations that didn't let them know they were working for Israel, and then arresting them before they commit their crimes- much like how the USA has been arming its own suicide bombers with faulty explosives and setting them loose to arrest them on the spot (mostly for the purpose of looking like they're doing their job, because in reality they're inciting those same people into violence in the first place, creating the shadows they chase). In such a case, a bomber could have slipped through their clampdown on the last attack- maybe there were 3 intended targets instead of 2, and he went rogue and carried out his attack oblivious to his real benefactor. Hence, operating as a lone wolf for a couple months

or

2) A lone wolf Al-Qaeda operative named Mehdi Ghezali who is Swedish-Algerian of Finnish descent who was long imprisoned in the USA at gitmo, which would match the description of 'white bomber with long hair', used a fake ID from michigan & fake passport, and bombed the bus on his own. In which case he would be essentially operating as an Al-Qaeda cell, without any real guidance from the top (which doesn't exist anymore, duh), and not at all related to Iran in any way. While some governments simply denied that, they provided zero reason for doing so and that the ID/passport have to already be known somehow for some reason. And he obviously fits the description exactly if you take one look at the video. Some sources even speculate that given the bomb type (backpack instead of vest or belt), it might have actually been a botched getaway and he didn't intend to die in the attack at all.
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Jul 19 2012 10:30pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Jul 19 2012 02:58pm)
Its actually kind of amazing how prescient and topical those 9 pages of me smashing many_names' ignorance of shiite/sunni distinctions and Iran vs Al-Qaeda turned out to be
Considering all signs point to this being an Al-Qaeda attack (that is, a lone wolf operative from Al-Qaeda most likely)
Which puts it on the exact opposite 'bank' of the arab world. Like if there was a bombing at the US Capitol and the republicans rushed to blame it on Black Panthers, only to find a burning cross and white robes at the site


None of that changes the fact that you're a psychotic bigot who was rushing to blame a shadowy government conspiracy for murdering it's own children and citizens.
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Jul 19 2012 11:09pm
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None of that changes the fact that you're a psychotic bigot who was rushing to blame a shadowy government conspiracy for murdering it's own children and citizens.


Really? Or did I rush to blame a government that rushed to blame a government?
I think the funny part being that theres a very real possibility that what just happened was Netanyahu mistaking a genuine Al-Qaeda attack for one of Mossad's own false-flag operations


Edit: More fun!:
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/u-s-officials-hezbollah-attacked-israelis-in-bulgaria-to-retaliate-for-killing-of-iran-nuclear-scientists-1.452410

US & Israel announce that Hezbollah did this in revenge for nuclear scientist assassinations in Iran // a Hezbollah commander
Hezbollah said it has nothing to do with this and doesn't attack tourists in revenge- that it would save its vengeance for equal targets (ie military for military, civilian for civilian)
Iran denounced it as a terrorist attack that they had nothing to do with.

So why, the devil, is the media flooded with Israel not just announcing "whodunnit" with no evidence (and contrary to the evidence we already have), but also Israel announcing what Hezbollah thinks and says, completely contrary to what Hezbollah says.
I'm starting to serious lean towards the possibility that this was a high level mistake, either they lost the chains on a false flag operative who went rogue, or that this is just an Al-Qaeda attack that they have mistaken for their own false flag, which is hilarious.


Given the secrecy of Mossad, its quite plausible that the Israeli government isn't all on the same page and some of them could actually mistake an Al-Qaeda attack for one of their own gone afoul

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Jul 19 2012 11:51pm
Quote (Goomshill @ 20 Jul 2012 07:09)
Really? Or did I rush to blame a government that rushed to blame a government?
I think the funny part being that theres a very real possibility that what just happened was Netanyahu mistaking a genuine Al-Qaeda attack for one of Mossad's own false-flag operations


Edit: More fun!:
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/u-s-officials-hezbollah-attacked-israelis-in-bulgaria-to-retaliate-for-killing-of-iran-nuclear-scientists-1.452410

US & Israel announce that Hezbollah did this in revenge for nuclear scientist assassinations in Iran // a Hezbollah commander
Hezbollah said it has nothing to do with this and doesn't attack tourists in revenge- that it would save its vengeance for equal targets (ie military for military, civilian for civilian)
Iran denounced it as a terrorist attack that they had nothing to do with.

So why, the devil, is the media flooded with Israel not just announcing "whodunnit" with no evidence (and contrary to the evidence we already have), but also Israel announcing what Hezbollah thinks and says, completely contrary to what Hezbollah says.
I'm starting to serious lean towards the possibility that this was a high level mistake, either they lost the chains on a false flag operative who went rogue, or that this is just an Al-Qaeda attack that they have mistaken for their own false flag, which is hilarious.


Given the secrecy of Mossad, its quite plausible that the Israeli government isn't all on the same page and some of them could actually mistake an Al-Qaeda attack for one of their own gone afoul


Listen to what Ahmedinajad said yesterday he practicly confirmed the attack:
He said something like we are getting beaten by an enemy but sometimes our strikes hurts more.
The Israeli government will not kill its own people no matter what.
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Jul 20 2012 12:13am
Quote (Many_Names @ Jul 19 2012 11:51pm)
Listen to what Ahmedinajad said yesterday he practicly confirmed the attack:
He said something like we are getting beaten by an enemy but sometimes our strikes hurts more.
The Israeli government will not kill its own people no matter what.


Except for the bit where he was talking about something completely unrelated to the bombing, right? And then Iran repeatedly, specifically said they were not being the bombing and that they denounce it?
You know, when Israel or the US pull off a less-than-secret attack and acknowledge it like that, they do it with a wink and a nudge and then dodge all questions about whether they actually did it:

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"The unfounded statements by different statesmen of the Zionist regime in connection with the accusations against Iran about its possible participation in the incident with the blown-up bus with Israeli tourists in Burgas is a familiar method of the Zionist regime, with a political aim, and is a sign of the weakness ... of the accusers,"


Now I'm just curious, if you think Iran really carried this out, then how do you explain the bomber being a pasty white guy with long hair, instead of, you know, an Iranian?

There is more credence to the theory that this was carried out by a Turk in revenge for the mavi marmara massacre, so far.
If you're going to accuse Iran of it, how about producing some actual evidence?

Theres evidence freely available out there right now, I suggest you take a look:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57475663/alleged-bulgaria-bus-bombers-id-remains-mystery/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMm35QiNf7s



Fact of the matter is, the bombers on CCTV, and he looks like weird al yankovic. How do you figure that?
Whats up with the fake USA passport and Michigan driver's license?

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Quote (Goomshill @ 20 Jul 2012 08:13)
Except for the bit where he was talking about something completely unrelated to the bombing, right? And then Iran repeatedly, specifically said they were not being the bombing and that they denounce it?
You know, when Israel or the US pull off a less-than-secret attack and acknowledge it like that, they do it with a wink and a nudge and then dodge all questions about whether they actually did it:



Now I'm just curious, if you think Iran really carried this out, then how do you explain the bomber being a pasty white guy with long hair, instead of, you know, an Iranian?

There is more credence to the theory that this was carried out by a Turk in revenge for the mavi marmara massacre, so far.
If you're going to accuse Iran of it, how about producing some actual evidence?

Theres evidence freely available out there right now, I suggest you take a look:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202162-57475663/alleged-bulgaria-bus-bombers-id-remains-mystery/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMm35QiNf7s



Fact of the matter is, the bombers on CCTV, and he looks like weird al yankovic. How do you figure that?
Whats up with the fake USA passport and Michigan driver's license?


how do you explain the sudden Increase in RAPE inncedents in Sweden? http://www.thelocal.se/39886/20120326/
Muslims, mass migrated to this area and some people are afraid to walk on the streets at night.
now the guy came from sweden at least thats what the bulgarians says, put 1 + 1 and there you go... Muslims can be white you know... they are not all dark with a beard.

P.S
The Turks have too much to loose by carrying something like this out.

This post was edited by Many_Names on Jul 20 2012 03:39am
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Jul 20 2012 09:08am
Done Deal:

http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/138858/us-officials-burgas-bomber-part-of-hezbollah-bulgarian-wing.html

This thread is another fictional theard out of goomshill and the conspiracies trilogy.
I just returned you to blockbuster.
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Quote (Goomshill @ Jul 20 2012 12:07am)
Apparently I'm not the only one with a functioning brain. Heres some select quotes from the wikipedia talk section for it;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2012_Burgas_bus_bombing#Suspect%5Fsection



Hezbollahs own statement:
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2012/0719/Hezbollah-on-bus-bombing-We-wouldn-t-target-tourists-for-revenge-video

The Israeli narrative is an interesting read. Apparently, these strings of attacks were caused by Iranians in response to the assassination of nuclear scientists by Israel, a 'shadow war' (a term they used about 50 times to rub it in to advance the narrative).
Meanwhile, the previous attacks were committed in the exact same style as Israel's assassination of scientists anyway (sticky bomb from a motorcycle?), which gives evidence to them being false flag ops, especially considering the truly stupid motivation.
Why would Iran strike civilians in response to scientist assassinations? Its not going to make Israel stop and any average joe could tell you that, it would just make them retaliate more. Its not going to strike any revenge, you're killing an uninvolved 3rd party.

The only party that stands to benefit, of course, is Israel. Hezbollah explicitly does not want to spark a conflict right now and is busy keeping the peace. They sure as heck wouldn't do something like this out of the blue.
And its obviously not their style. They only used suicide bombs as an act of total desperation in defense, never as an aggressive tool- only the sunnis (religious fanatics) ever do that. Why would a shiite suicide bomb when he could just as easily have left his backpack there?


So I can construct two actually plausible storylines for how this attack happened.
1) Mossad trained and armed a sunni dissident minority from Iran, which they are already known to do (as with the scientist assassinations), and used one of those operatives to strike a false flag attack on their own tourists in order to accomplish any number of political goals- put pressure on bulgaria, give cassus belli for hostility towards Iran, quell internal tensions by giving a smoke screen from a common enemy, or just to put pressure on Obama to act on Iran during this election cycle, a time they know he is weak and may be forced to cave to their demands (when otherwise he was merely appeasing them with token, bloodless measures like Stuxnet). This story fits the previous pattern of presumed false flag attempts (but relatively bloodless until now) that have been happening for a few months, but doesn't match with the evidence of the attacker, who did not appear Iranian (though he was disguised- but wouldn't this go against the purpose of the false flag?).

1.5) Same as above, but Israel's false flag plan actually involved setting loose these Iranian dissidents through shadow organizations that didn't let them know they were working for Israel, and then arresting them before they commit their crimes- much like how the USA has been arming its own suicide bombers with faulty explosives and setting them loose to arrest them on the spot (mostly for the purpose of looking like they're doing their job, because in reality they're inciting those same people into violence in the first place, creating the shadows they chase). In such a case, a bomber could have slipped through their clampdown on the last attack- maybe there were 3 intended targets instead of 2, and he went rogue and carried out his attack oblivious to his real benefactor. Hence, operating as a lone wolf for a couple months

or

2) A lone wolf Al-Qaeda operative named Mehdi Ghezali who is Swedish-Algerian of Finnish descent who was long imprisoned in the USA at gitmo, which would match the description of 'white bomber with long hair', used a fake ID from michigan & fake passport, and bombed the bus on his own. In which case he would be essentially operating as an Al-Qaeda cell, without any real guidance from the top (which doesn't exist anymore, duh), and not at all related to Iran in any way. While some governments simply denied that, they provided zero reason for doing so and that the ID/passport have to already be known somehow for some reason. And he obviously fits the description exactly if you take one look at the video. Some sources even speculate that given the bomb type (backpack instead of vest or belt), it might have actually been a botched getaway and he didn't intend to die in the attack at all.


So basically you were wrong...
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