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Jun 10 2013 06:01pm
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It's not going to cause a backlash in Britain, where apparently a majority support the government "snooping" through phone records, and I'm not sure we're really going to care who else complains.


so i guess you also don't have an objection that the content of mobile (cell) phone conversions of americans was accessible by foreign secret service(s) (at least 8-10 years ago, probably still now)
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so i guess you also don't have an objection that the content of mobile (cell) phone conversions of americans was accessible by foreign secret service(s) (at least 8-10 years ago, probably still now)


On the contrary, I think our government should do its best to protect our privacy from foreign governments, but then I don't believe in equality in international affairs.
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Jun 10 2013 06:05pm
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On the contrary, I think our government should do its best to protect our privacy from foreign governments, but then I don't believe in equality in international affairs.


because of confidentially agreements can't tell you more about what happened (and probably is still happening) as stated in my previous post - sorry, you have to live with it :)
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Jun 10 2013 06:47pm
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because of confidentially agreements can't tell you more about what happened (and probably is still happening) as stated in my previous post - sorry, you have to live with it  :)


That's fine, it certainly won't effect my life, and I don't have private conversations by phone anyway.
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Jun 10 2013 07:33pm
he's gone missing in hong kong, probably dead.
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Jun 10 2013 09:36pm
What's it matter? They can still spy on us, they just have to own up to it and take responsibility for it.
Either way, it's not like the truly dangerous groups are going to plot their actions casually over AIM
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Jun 11 2013 05:08pm
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The government disagrees and says its well within their constitutional authority, that there is oversight, and that you're just an unsupported minority viewpoint (the majority of Americans support the governments access to this data) that won't hold up in the courts.

I'm inclined to agree with them, not only is this a constitutional exercise of their legitimate authority, but it just makes sense. Unless you're involved in something illicit, there's no reason to suppose that the government is interested in what you're doing, and they still need a warrant to access your data even after they've filed it.


Oh, well the government SAYS its within their authority, so I guess I should just drop it.

Said by no one defending our rights ever.

nn appeals to the majority either. The constraints placed on the government are specifically there to protect the individual from the majority.

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The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized


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Jun 12 2013 12:48pm
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Oh, well the government SAYS its within their authority, so I guess I should just drop it.

Said by no one defending our rights ever.

nn appeals to the majority either. The constraints placed on the government are specifically there to protect the individual from the majority.


This isn't an unreasonable search and seizure, you're accessing a private service and you're willingly giving them data.
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Jun 12 2013 01:49pm
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This isn't an unreasonable search and seizure, you're accessing a private service and you're willingly giving them data.


No probable cause, therefore unreasonable. It's a fishing expedition, and the SCotUS frowns upon fishing expeditions. And yes, I am accessing a private service. NOT a government service.
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