Nice job regurgitating exactly what I said.

Thank you!

No need to be angry

We both need to keep in mind, however, that mathematics, ESPECIALLY math dealing with infinities is widely open to interpretation and there are loads of different schools of thought. Philosophy of mathematics is a real discipline.

In her book Philosophy of Set Theory, Mary Tiles characterized those who allow countably infinite objects as classical finitists, and those who deny even countably infinite objects as strict finitists.

This post was edited by Voyaging on May 14 2012 11:35am

when he is done with the universe he is goin roll it all up and smoke it ?I think the bible has hints like the universe is flat. the hidden universe in our bible even in the most simple of discriptions like "rolling it up like a rug".

This post was edited by doomchaser on May 14 2012 11:47am

Not angry m8. Math is hardly an emotional subject ^^
I'm talking about mathematics, not the philosophy of mathematics.
Actual practicing mathematicians rarely espouse fringe views such as finitism as it makes much of the higher mathematics impossible (or very different and not really applicable, or just unnecessarily complicated)
The real numbers don't even exist in a finitist perspective... the best you could use is the computable real line.
There's really no "interpretation" to it.. math is about proofs... if you want to deny that the real numbers exist you're free to do so.
But if someone accepts that real numbers exist then they also accept that they are uncountably infinite (and so a higher cardinality of infinity than countable infinities) because it has been proven.
Example of non-computable real number (doesn't exist in finitism) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaitin%27s_constant
(Interestingly, for every programming language the number of possible programs is countably infinite, and thus the computable numbers are countably infinite since each can be printed by some computer program to however much accuracy you want)

Real numbers do exist in a finitist perspective.

Although I disagree that there is no interpretation in maths. Some proofs, almost exclusively relating to infinity, can be disputed.

This post was edited by Voyaging on May 14 2012 08:00pm

The movie below is 1 hour and 24 minutes long so I can imagine none of you will sit through it, I'll save you some time.

"If you look at creationism, you realize it's the only possible answer to all the questions." This comment was made about 16 minutes in, while a mother of two was educating her children. "Science doesn't prove anything" She says, with the aid of a creationist text book. I don't know about you but I want to read this text book.

This thread was made because of people like this. They are the reason I fear America, and fundamentalism of any kind. I'm afraid of my country because of Jesus camp.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=SUkXvWn1m7Q

This post was edited by TrouNce on May 15 2012 09:08pm

...so you're afraid of some random mother from a youtube video ?

poor attempt.

You're talking about your post, right? You do know those are extreme cases and most christians believe in science. That's like assuming we have a country full of good swimmers because Michael Phelps is American.

This post was edited by xXAn0nym0usXx on May 16 2012 07:48am