Quote (Bazi @ May 2 2017 02:58pm)

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Quote (AspenSniper @ May 2 2017 06:09am)

This is such an important topic that doesn't get enough airtime. It comes down to two theories, assuming robots truly do take over millions of jobs, which I think they will.

1. Capitalism. If people can't adapt and learn greater skills that robots can't overtake, you're fucked and rightfully so. The writing is on the wall. We all hear the "fight for $15" cries while McDonalds and others develop robotic order takers and robotic cooks, etc. deeming the jobs worth even less than the minimum wage they pay now. So the capitalist theory is, learn a skill that can be automated or die, or just whine about a robot taking your job and live in self pity.

2. Universal Basic Income. This is the theory that as a country we need to understand that robots and automation are going to take over a good chunk of the workforce to the benefit of employers, particularly large corporations. Thus, we should increase the taxes on those corporations who are saving human capital cost in the form of hired employees. With that money we should institute a universal basic income so that everyone receives X amount of money so they can live without having to work because there simply aren't enough jobs, especially jobs for the simpleton.

This will become the "abortion" hot button issue in the next 20 years debated heavily in politics. Liberals will argue social safety nets being needed for those who didn't have the opportunity to learn the skills needed to compete for jobs. Conservatives will want to reward those who were able to pivot their career track into high demand fields that couldn't be automated and in a way, punish those who didn't adapt, and say it's not fair for the taxpaying working person to pay for those who weren't able to adapt.

This is a very big deal and people need to be aware of it. It's not just fast food workers, dishwashers, call centers, etc., but it's also computer coding, engineering, and very "in demand of the moment" jobs. I think in the next 20 years we will have computers who can create original computer code/java/c#/python/you name it that is sophisticated beyond what a human coder could do.

Quote (AspenSniper @ May 2 2017 12:11pm)

I post very pro-capitalism things here, but I actually don't mind a UBI. I get bothered seeing so many huge pieces of shit on welfare, but I can't be totally pissed because I have a heavy heart for the children of idiot parents who fucked up their lives, and because of that I know they need the money to eat. Then of course the small percentage of good people who truly use welfare/unemployment to actually get back on their feet and work to get off welfare/unemployment.

I like UBI though because everyone gets it. I'd like it to be flat. $1000 for every adult regardless of income. Then, my taxes are actually going to myself and the middle class as well as the poor. I think that's a more fair system, stimulates economic growth (though in a dangerous way), etc. There are bonuses to doing a UBI.

What I don't want is people on a UBI/welfare/section eight to be able to get into expensive neighborhoods at reduced rates. There has to be incentive for people to want to work and not just sit on UBI. If you give people on UBI access to excellent schools, neighborhoods, healthcare, etc., then why would anyone ever work? There has to be a strong enough gap between UBI people and wage earners that makes people want to work.

Quote (Plaguefear @ May 3 2017 03:40am)

Have a look back over human history and look at what happened every time the poor were given the option of starvation or X.
X always ends up being violent rebellion ending with a lot of dead rich people.
UBI is the only real option, people will not just roll over and die because "capitalism" wills it so.
Also keep in mind a huge subset of the republican base are probably going to be among the ones losing their jobs.

Quote (balrog66 @ May 3 2017 05:19am)

There are plenty of higher level jobs that are ready to be automated and replaced, but it simply has not happened due to self-induced constraints and a higher amount of power on executive staff.

Lower level employees can get fucked because unions got fucked in America (part of it is their own fault, part of it is definitely outside influence), and they have a way lower chance of getting employed again. If you just look at the transportation industry, within 5-10 years there will be autonomous 16-wheelers riding 24/7. There might not be many yet, but there will be some. At some point the additional productivity is going to outweigh moral quandaries (fucking your employees over) and it's definitely going to outweigh the costs of employment. Similar for taxis. Uber is going to die a very swift death if they don't adapt to driverless vehicles.

But on the higher level employment scale, with the growth in Neural Networking, Machine Learning and AI, plenty of jobs are qualified for automation. I could see about half the jobs in the finance sector disappearing. Why? Computers are really, really good at numbers. And now with the advances being made in the field, pattern recognition and causal relationships are on the table too. The only reason that these jobs have not yet started disappearing massively is because the same people whose jobs could be optimized by a computer, control the industry. In the end it will likely still happen, just way slower due to the difference in bargaining power.

Even doctors face issues. Currently working on some MSc courses in medical imaging, and we're working on creating assisted diagnosis with imaging equipment. Liability is escaped by giving the doc a "Do you agree with this diagnosis Y/N" button. It likely only takes time before the doctor is stripped out of that.